Thread: USA government gone rogue (well... not exactly. L.)

Originally Posted by Hanna

North Koreans are very sweet and gentle, idealistic and proud. And they are smart. Educated people there follow world events. After the Korean war, not a building was left standing in the major cities in North Korea. The US used every (now illegal) weapon under the sun against them. A whole generation grew up as orphans and the 50+ generation when I was there in 1990, ca, was full of cripples. Never seen anything like it.

For me, visiting North Korea was a turning point. I didn't want to go there, nobody cared about it at the time. It was just another socialist country, and they were very low on the cool destinations lists at the time. But my dad couldn't leave my brother and me alone in his flat in a certain other East Asian country where he was working. We were on summer hols from school and our mum was very sick. So we went along and spent almost 3 weeks there.

At the time, it was unlike any other place. I ended up really respecting the people there and what they were trying to achieve. They were taking after the USSR a lot, but they took their ideology seriously, real believers.

Obviously their human rights records leaves a lot to be desired and I think it's right to put strong pressure on them internationally to remedy that. But that is just a fraction of what the country is about. They are a country with a vision. Idealists beyond anything you ever saw.
There is no doubt it's demonized more than any other country. And the picture painted in media about NK is simply not true.

I have not visited Saudi Arabia or sub-Saharan Africa. Only seen it on TV and read about it.
But if the choice was between living in Saudi, sub-Saharan Africa or North Korea, I'd easily pick North Korea for several reasons. Also, North Korea is opening up and the living standards are going up considerably.
I know I will be attacked now, and trolled for presenting an alternative view on this, and perhaps for being heartless or stupid("North Korea has prison camps! You were fooled by propaganda!") But the US has the largest part of its population in prison internationally, and Russia still has labour camps to this day. Personally I prefer the Northern European prison system, but it's not an option for all countries.
So let him whose country is free of sin throw the first stone, huh?

NK is just a big nazi concentration camp. They still have that ideology that goes from Mao's cultural revolution in china, but north-koreans had added to it their juche-songun ideas. There was nothing like that in the USSR.

What about russian labor camps, ppl usually prefer to go there then to stay in prison cells. And I don't think the US system of private prisons is ever better then any labor camps.

North europain prison system is good (but the problem is that in europe is amazing level of mass media censorship so i'm afraid we don't know much about it). But the best prisons are in japan and singapore i think.


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Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

NK is just a big nazi concentration camp. They still have that ideology that goes from Mao's cultural revolution in china, but north-koreans had added to it their juche-songun ideas. There was nothing like that in the USSR.

What about russian labor camps, ppl usually prefer to go there then to stay in prison cells. And I don't think the US system of private prisons is ever better then any labor camps.

North europain prison system is good (but the problem is that in europe is amazing level of mass media censorship so i'm afraid we don't know much about it). But the best prisons are in japan and singapore i think.


http://juche-songun.livejournal.com/

I took this one from your last link (in bold), and that's just mind-blowing! --> http://juche-songun.livejournal.com/571833.html

По словам Министра Обороны Донецкой Народной Республики Игоря Ивановича Стрелкова-Гиркина при обороне Семеновки, его войска активно используют опыт Северной Кореи.

I wonder:

1. If that has anything to do with truth in the very first place
2. If the answer to question #1 is yes, then if that separatist chief has any links to the official Russian government
3. If the answers to questions ##1&2 are both yes, how your country can even live with that (I sincerely hope, however, that they aren't both yes)
4. If the answer to question #1 is yes, and regardless of what the answer to question #2 is, if your country still thinks that putting down an armed threat that has records of cooperation with world terrorists from the axis of evil list is a bad idea?...

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I took this one from your last link (in bold), and that's just mind-blowing! --> juche_songun: Тактика "Тоннельного боя", разработанная Ким Ир Сеном, широко используется войсками ДН

По словам Министра Обороны Донецкой Народной Республики Игоря Ивановича Стрелкова-Гиркина при обороне Семеновки, его войска активно используют опыт Северной Кореи.

I wonder:

1. If that has anything to do with truth in the very first place
2. If the answer to question #1 is yes, then if that separatist chief has any links to the official Russian government
3. If the answers to questions ##1&2 are both yes, how your country can even live with that (I sincerely hope, however, that they aren't both yes)
4. If the answer to question #1 is yes, and regardless of what the answer to question #2 is, if your country still thinks that putting down an armed threat that has records of cooperation with world terrorists from the axis of evil list is a bad idea?...

Now, when i finally stopped loughing, and before i say anything in response to your mind blowing post. Could you kindli answer one question - what logic did you use that would lead you from
По словам Министра Обороны Донецкой Народной Республики Игоря Ивановича Стрелкова-Гиркина при обороне Семеновки, его войска активно используют опыт Северной Кореи.
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is yes, then if that separatist chief has any links to the official Russian government?

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

Now, when i finally stopped loughing, and before i say anything in response to your mind blowing post. Could you kindli answer one question - what logic did you use that would lead you from
По словам Министра Обороны Донецкой Народной Республики Игоря Ивановича Стрелкова-Гиркина при обороне Семеновки, его войска активно используют опыт Северной Кореи.
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is yes, then if that separatist chief has any links to the official Russian government?

Those 2 are totally unrelated questions (##1 & 2), I just happen to be curious about the answers to both of them. That bold quote #2 doesn't conclude from the first one at all, I agree.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Those 2 are totally unrelated questions (##1 & 2), I just happen to be curious about the answers to both of them. That bold quote #2 doesn't conclude from the first one at all, I agree.

I still can't understand (and therefore i don't know how to reply)

you say

If the answer to question #1 is yes, then
and
Those 2 are totally unrelated questions (##1 & 2)
now your logic is totally beyond my comprehension.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

I still can't understand (and therefore i don't know how to reply)

you say

If the answer to question #1 is yes, then
and
Those 2 are totally unrelated questions (##1 & 2)
now your logic is totally beyond my comprehension.

Alright, I'm conditionally interested in the answer to the second question, depending on the answer to the first one. But the questions themselves are unrelated (i.e. "if that's true" and "if that one has any links..."). Make sense now? =))

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Alright, I'm conditionally interested in the answer to the second question, depending on the answer to the first one. Make sense now? =))

No it doesnt. because Strelkov can use whatever experience he wants and is free to announce it in his interviews. And if that is true or not only he knows himself.
But how does that lead you to question #2 i still don't understand.