Thread: USA government gone rogue (well... not exactly. L.)

There are no good sides. Soon as Ukrainians realize this, the better. You can't just choose a side and that seems what is happening. Putin's puppet Yanukovych was like either leader (whether on the EU side or Putin side).

It is laughable the amount of sugarcoating from those pro-Putin on this site. The anti-American/anti-EU rhetoric is find and dandy but then so many are defending the Putin positions. Yet, this is what Putin supported:

Awsome video of former Ukrainian president Yanukovych empty luxury estate. - YouTube

This is what the 'legitimate' leader in Ukraine was doing. I wonder why poverty-stricken Ukrainians wanted to change the system so badly. Oooh, what reasons could there be?!? It's just that the Western Elites recognized this opportunity to manipulate things but Putin's murder of Ukrainians is as bad. But, no one talks about that here. He is supporting military in Ukraine trying to overpower authorities to split the country so that is better than Western influence, I guess.

This issue or conflict is very complex and it doesn't have 'good vs bad' sides. Period.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

There are no good sides. Soon as Ukrainians realize this, the better. You can't just choose a side and that seems what is happening. Putin's puppet Yanukovych was like either leader (whether on the EU side or Putin side).

It is laughable the amount of sugarcoating from those pro-Putin on this site. The anti-American/anti-EU rhetoric is find and dandy but then so many are defending the Putin positions. Yet, this is what Putin supported:

Awsome video of former Ukrainian president Yanukovych empty luxury estate. - YouTube

This is what the 'legitimate' leader in Ukraine was doing. I wonder why poverty-stricken Ukrainians wanted to change the system so badly. Oooh, what reasons could there be?!? It's just that the Western Elites recognized this opportunity to manipulate things but Putin's murder of Ukrainians is as bad. But, no one talks about that here. He is supporting military in Ukraine trying to overpower authorities to split the country so that is better than Western influence, I guess.

This issue or conflict is very complex and it doesn't have 'good vs bad' sides. Period.

I agree with you that there are no good sides. Every government is evil by its nature, and the current implementations of both EU/US and Russian governments have obvious dark sides. Though, why I think that the EU/US governments are better in some ways is because EU/US leaders at least are ok with people criticizing them, while in Russia and the Russian speaking world it's totally a different story.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I agree with you that there are no good sides. Every government is evil by its nature, and the current implementations of both EU/US and Russian governments have obvious dark sides. Though, why I think that the EU/US governments are better in some ways is because EU/US leaders at least are ok with people criticizing them, while in Russia and the Russian speaking world it's totally a different story.

No, it's not any better, just different. They are both weeds of the same root.

The problem is that either side is heavily brainwashing the populace and the issues do become confusing since both have different objectives. My point is, there are a lot of posters that all can agree with the wrongdoing by the West but when it comes to Putin/neo-Soviet Russia, you have apologists who are from Russia or apologists to the Putin regime and even Westerners who are sympathetic who have little clue about Russia except for what the neo-Soviet posters here tell them. Thus, there is an imbalance and the reporting is skewed one way. That doesn't mean that one is 'better' than the other, however.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

My point is, there are a lot of posters that all can agree with the wrongdoing by the West but when it comes to Putin/neo-Soviet Russia, you have apologists who are from Russia or apologists to the Putin regime and even Westerners who are sympathetic who have little clue about Russia except for what the neo-Soviet posters here tell them. Thus, there is an imbalance and the reporting is skewed one way.

You point is clearly descrideb by "Putin/neo-Soviet Russia".
People have different opinions and the fact that number of posters who share one opinion is bigget then the number of posters who share the other point can be caused by some pretty random circumstances. So any "imbalance" is hardly explainable imho. But still a person has a right to have his own opinion and right to express it regardless which group he happened to belong to.

Lately it's become pretty clear that all that western/US anti-Soviet and anti-Dictatorship propaganda was just a mask for plain russophobia. Russia is no communist (at least less comunist then theUS) andno authoritarian any more but those old propaganda patterns are still being brough to the media, and the post above is perfect exmple of it.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Putin's puppet Yanukovych

Yanukovich was the most obidient US puppet amogst all the Ukrainian presidents btw.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

Lately it's become pretty clear that all that western/US anti-Soviet and anti-Dictatorship propaganda was just a mask for plain russophobia. Russia is no communist (at least less comunist then theUS) andno authoritarian any more but those old propaganda patterns are still being brough to the media, and the post above is perfect exmple of it

=> !!! "It is laughable the amount of sugarcoating from those pro-Putin on this site. The anti-American/anti-EU rhetoric is fine and dandy but then so many are defending the Putin positions. "

Originally Posted by 14Russian

=> !!! "It is laughable the amount of sugarcoating from those pro-Putin on this site. The anti-American/anti-EU rhetoric is fine and dandy but then so many are defending the Putin positions. "

And why are you personally defending Putin positions?