Thread: USA government gone rogue (well... not exactly. L.)

There's a very clear distinction between admiration and patriotism. For example, the US founders idolized the teachings of a British subject named John Locke. He wasn't an American but he inspired the Constitution of the United States of America. And don't forget, England was America's worst enemy at that time.
It didn't mean that the founders of the US were loyal to Great Britain and it didn't mean that they were traitors. What it meant was that anyone - whatever country they lived in - could be idolized for their strategies, philosophies, and ideals.
Other people who contributed to the US Constitution were Samuel von Pufendorf (German) and Charles-Louis de Secondat (French).
Btw, the founders were never accused of being pro-Locke, pro-Pufendorf, or pro-Montesquieu.
Recently President Putin called the PRISM surveillance system a "workable idea". Does that mean President Putin is loyal to the US? I mean, he did admire part of the US system of government, right?
No I don't think anyone's accusing him of being pro-Bush or pro-Obama, lol.

A great politician and historian of the 19th century, Lord Acton, said "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
What we're seeing in the US is an example of that. Another example occured in Nazi Germany. Those who didn't support Adolf Hitler, the invasions of other countries, and the exterminations of the Jewish people were called traitors. And don't forget, the leaders of the interim government in Ukraine were hand-picked by the US assistant Secretary of State. And they are all Ultra-Nationalists (ie. Bandera). The Bandera were protected by the US after WW2 and were never included in the war crimes trials.
So, how much should loyal Americans accept while innocent people are having their lives destroyed and being slaughtered?

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

There's a very clear distinction between admiration and patriotism. For example, the US founders idolized the teachings of a British subject named John Locke. He wasn't an American but he inspired the Constitution of the United States of America. And don't forget, England was America's worst enemy at that time.
It didn't mean that the founders of the US were loyal to Great Britain and it didn't mean that they were traitors. What it meant was that anyone - whatever country they lived in - could be idolized for their strategies, philosophies, and ideals.
Other people who contributed to the US Constitution were Samuel von Pufendorf (German) and Charles-Louis de Secondat (French).
Btw, the founders were never accused of being pro-Locke, pro-Pufendorf, or pro-Montesquieu.
Recently President Putin called the PRISM surveillance system a "workable idea". Does that mean President Putin is loyal to the US? I mean, he did admire part of the US system of government, right?
No I don't think anyone's accusing him of being pro-Bush or pro-Obama, lol.

A great politician and historian of the 19th century, Lord Acton, said "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
What we're seeing in the US is an example of that. Another example occured in Nazi Germany. Those who didn't support Adolf Hitler, the invasions of other countries, and the exterminations of the Jewish people were called traitors. And don't forget, the leaders of the interim government in Ukraine were hand-picked by the US assistant Secretary of State. And they are all Ultra-Nationalists (ie. Bandera). The Bandera were protected by the US after WW2 and were never included in the war crimes trials.
So, how much should loyal Americans accept while innocent people are having their lives destroyed and being slaughtered?

The Ukrainian interim government legally ceases to exist in a few days, ruining any efforts to make accusations like the one just made. And I hope the new legal one will have more authority to deal with those AK-47 carrying apes breaking into people's houses, and robbing and intimidating them. And by dealing with those, I certainly do not mean talking to them or something like that.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The Ukrainian interim government legally ceases to exist in a few days, ruining any efforts to make accusations like the one just made. And I hope the new legal one will have more authority to deal with those AK-47 carrying apes breaking into people's houses, and robbing and intimidating them. And by dealing with those, I certainly do not mean talking to them or something like that.

Today's so-called elections will not change anything. Poroshenko who will be elected by estimeate 8 million voters from total 35 million voters will never unite the people who live on the now-cursed lands previously known as "Ukraine" into one nation. So most probably we shall have new Somalia in the middle of Europe. Sane people should think about security of 4 now-acting nuclear plants located there to prevent another Chernobyl(s).

Originally Posted by Basil77

Today's so-called elections will not change anything. Poroshenko who will be elected by estimeate 8 million voters from total 35 million voters will never unite the people who live on the now-cursed lands previously known as "Ukraine" into one nation. So most probably we shall have new Somalia in the middle of Europe. Sane people should think about security of 4 now-acting nuclear plants located there to prevent another Chernobyl(s).

It won't be another Somalia, unless too many people consider taking off armed terrorists to be "fascist methods" or something. The rest of it is fine. Even if a significant part of the eastern Ukrainian civilians aren't too patriotic about their country doesn't mean they necessarily demand for major geopolitical changes in the area.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

It won't be another Somalia, unless too many people consider taking off armed terrorists to be "fascist methods" or something. The rest of it is fine. Even if a significant part of the eastern Ukrainian civilians aren't too patriotic about their country doesn't mean they necessarily demand for major geopolitical changes in the area.

Armed terrorist are the ones who use heavy weapons (artillery), fighters and helicopters against their own citizens. Armed terrorist are the ones who kill people only because they have another political views. These armed terrorists are in power in Kiev right now and soon after today's farce called "election" they will start to shoot not only people in the South-Eastern regions who don't agree with them but each other as well. We shall see that very soon.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Armed terrorist are the ones who use heavy weapons (artillery), fighters and helicopters against their own citizens. Armed terrorist are the ones who kill people only because they have another political views. These armed terrorists are in power in Kiev right now and soon after today's farce called "election" they will start to shoot not only people in the South-Eastern regions who don't agree with them but each other as well. We shall see that very soon.

You mean here those Donetsk & Lugansk masked "authorities" are innocent? Whatever, but I can tell you for sure, if some morons in masks with machine guns took over MY city, I would be rooting for anyone who was to put their existence to an end.