I'm just wondering. :) :P
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I'm just wondering. :) :P
Я не житель этой страны, так что простите меня, пожалуйста.
Тогда зачем пишешь сюда? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by basurero
Чтобы пояснить автору темы, что я не турок. :o
Я полагал, что только турки должны были писать сюда. :roll:
Братан, здесь все предельно клеар!!! Просто Басуреро тренируется писать по-русски!!! (И надо сказать он уже сделал большие успехи в этом направлении - ни одной ошибки!!!!! :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Rtyom
Ataturk is as bigger killer as Hitler! Signatures like that should be banned.
Понял. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuvak
It is a god damn lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marios
You know nothing about him or Hitler.
Try to read some book about him.Or keep lying.
I won't change my signature.
ALL RIGHT!!! Utterly Pointless Flamewar!!!! Let me get some popcorn, and then FLAME ON!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemalist
Pointless to you, but you would react too if someone told you that Geroge Washington was a bloody murderer etc. etc. etc.
Ataturk was a great man, there is no doubt about that.
Fair enough -- but it wasn't really the issue I meant was pointless, but the fact they're arguing about it on the internet. There's a great (and horrible mean) image that's on the internet. It says: "Arguing on the Internet is like being in the Special Olympics." Even if you win, you're still retarded." Like I said, purely evil, but horribly funny. Very applicable here.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Obviously there IS doubt about that, especially if you're Greek. Otherwise we wouldn't be flaming on here.Quote:
Ataturk was a great man, there is no doubt about that.
True. Now apply this to 80% of the forum's posts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Бармалей
I think the real point is that if you make a statement, back it up with something more than "he is a killer, he is worse than hitler." That is spam. People react to spam different ways, I think kemalist did just fine.
Just like that dumby who said "Ataturk was a great man, there is no doubt about that" :roll: I mean, hello, what a utterly pointless statement! Back it up with facts, KV!!!! :evil:
Besides, what does special olympics have to do with retardedness? Just because you are missing a vital limb, it doesn't make you retarded ;)
Good point. It's supposed to be a joke -- not a factual statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
This is my last post about the discussion.
If you do not know Mustafa Kemal,take a look at this:
http://www.ataturk.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=43
:D
I am not lying or trying to create discussion.
And he says PEACE AT HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD. :lol:
I doubt that he's saying much today...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemalist
Do not doubt. :thumbup: :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Бармалей
Is that why he killed 400,000 Pontians, when he had the chance with the help of the West?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemalist
I don't have something with you, but don't tell me Kemal was a peace lover :roll: .
No matter what your views, you must recognise that a website dedicated to the man is not a very unbiased, neutral source of information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemalist
For every site you can find saying he was a great man, you can probably find a Greek site saying he wasn't.
This is a RUSSIAN forum, and I personally don't give a fuck about this Ataturk man.
Don't blame him, it is their govermental propaganda which makes Kemal look like a saint. These things are happening everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
And perhaps it's Greek governmental propaganda which makes Kemal look like a monster. These things are happening everywhere. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Греческо
Even if Greek propaganda is not fair with Kemal, the genocide of the Pontians and the Greeks of Ionia is a fact that can't be forgotten so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
It's more than just the Greeks. Ataturk slaughtered and ran the Armenians from their land. The man was a monster, and I can't believe people here would condone his actions.Quote:
And perhaps it's Greek governmental propaganda which makes Kemal look like a monster. These things are happening everywhere. :P
You want proof? Go to this link, though I warn you that it is brutal.
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?t ... ide_Photos
Or to quote Enver Pasha, one of the triumvirate rulers of the Ottoman Empire (May 19, 1916)...
"The Ottoman Empire should be cleaned up of the Armenians and the Lebanese. We have destroyed the former by the sword, we shall destroy the latter through starvation."
Lovely group of genocidal slime.
*sigh* I don't want to turn this into a flamefest, so I'll go. My 2-cents have been given.
I do not care whole of you and I am so tired of this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by *AtomicPossum*
Please stop annoying me and this lie.
:lol:
PLEASE...
Stop slandering. :wink:
Good! So piss off then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemalist
May be somebody want to discuss theme: "Who won WW-2?" :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :D
WWI
We all know who won WW2! The eskimos!
in alliance with Papuans : :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
You should be very happy to know that the Papuans were quite helpful against the Japanese during WWII. Many of my family members grew up in Papua New Guinea. (and Pitcairn Is.) As a matter of fact where i sit right now I am surrounded by Papuan artifacts (spears etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodor
Cool. I never know it :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
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Originally Posted by Theodor
Of course he was a peace lover. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Греческо
This topic was opened with the aim of finding some Turkish people on this forum,but once again as I have witnessed everywhere, The Greek members succeed to turn it into a flame-war again :evil:
Like it or not, Ataturk's statues are everywhere in the world: Romania,Mexico,Cuba.
Like it or not, UNESCO cleebrated his 100.birthday anniversay in 1981.
Like it or not,hic achievements are still admired worldwide.
I know for The some pan-Hellenist Greeks ,it is still a pain in their ass for the fact that under the leadership of Ataturk and thanks to weapons provided by the Soviets, The Turks defeated the invading Greek army and re-established a new country.
It is just ridiculous when you read their claims. Because it was the Hellas itself that mourned when Ataturk died. It was then- Greek prime minister Venizelos himself who nominated Ataturk for Nobel peace prize.!!!!
History is an invation,and you guys proved to me once again to what extend it can be dangerous.
I don't blame you guys. Clearly your brains have been brainwashed somehow.. But I wanna suggest you guys one thing: TO COMPARE.
Just compare what you read with other sources...you cna not be scientific unless you're comparing.
Regards
Gee! that Ataturk is also widely considered a criminal here in South America... well history... we don't know who the inventor was...
C
Is this why visitors of South American countries put down their deep symptahy to Ataturk in the the words whenever they visit Ankara? :wink:
Let us be realistic. One imsinformed guy in Lima does not account for the whole continent. :P
Have you spent enough time in this big continent? I don't have nothing against your country, your Ataturk or the people who live there but the truth is that, accept it... not well seen here in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDiplomat
Deep sympathy??? :lol: Firstly, to know that Ataturk here, people at least have to have a certain level of interest in your country so maybe you're speaking for only some of the few tens or hundreds (at much) of Latin Americans who goes there...
Other than that, I'm not interested in discussing this irrelevant topic... I just wanted to make known this part of the world's most widely spread opinion.
Greetings,
C
Is this adressed to me, Turkie?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDiplomat
By identifying an individual (Venizelos) with Hellas you lose or your realiability, no need to discuss further. Just be sure that you owe everything for what you are now in the West and the Soviet Union, not Kemal. Kemal would be absent from your history without them.
P.S. If the majority of the diplomants were like you, the world would have been burned already :lol: .
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Originally Posted by Marios
I got much more to say to you than you said. But i found it unnecessary after reading your (Edited. L.) post.just giggling at your (Edited. L.)...
Kemalist bunlar Atat