Thread: Russian Adoption

Originally Posted by Ramil

You're ruining my perception of the reality right now, you know that?

Well, I might be a bit one-sided here in my vision of the current world's state, but I learn a lot from the history. Every great power develops in a 'life-cycle'. It raises, it becomes powerful and then it collapses. I've never learned things to be otherwise throughout the whole history of mankind. And it's not some foreign or competitive power that usually brings down empires. It's their own population. When someone starts thinking that nothing bad can happen he's in trouble. I think that the modern USA has been living in this 'state of mind' for quite a long time already. No, I wish you all the luck in the world, but I couldn't think of anything that can help US to continue its way of living. Changes are imminent, it's just a matter of time.

Speaking as a programmer, you don't think everything is always going to be ok, but you don't care about it too much as long as you know there are exception handlers in your code for different kinds of sh*t, and if something goes wrong they'll manage to handle the situation. So, the only thing you should care about is your exception handlers being up to date and able to handle the kinds of sh*t they're meant to.

Honestly speaking, there are not many KINDS of sh*t that could happen to a country, and I think the US "exception handlers" are working well for now.

I'm a bit sorry for this parallel, but I assumed you were gonna get me right.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I'm a bit sorry for this parallel, but I assumed you were gonna get me right.

Speaking in programmer terms, US as an app has accumulated many memory leaks and now the heap is nearly full of interlocked objects. You'll soon need to terminate and debug it. Or even reboot the whole system.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Speaking in programmer terms, US as an app has accumulated many memory leaks and now the heap is nearly full of interlocked objects. You'll soon need to terminate and debug it. Or even reboot the whole system.

I think, when the app attempts to allocate another portion of memory, and runs across lack of free memory, the exception handler for this kind of thing will just run another process, copy the image into its address space, copy some critical information from the address space of the process having trouble, and the whole thing will start again. If there are some problems with system resources in general, the handler can always terminate a few other processes to get the resources it needs. It does have all the required privileges to do that.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I think, when the app attempts to allocate another portion of memory, and runs across lack of free memory, the exception handler for this kind of thing will just run another process, copy the image into its address space, copy some critical information from the address space of the process having trouble, and the whole thing will start again. If there are some problems with system resources in general, the handler can always terminate a few other processes to get the resources it needs. It does have all the required privileges to do that.

Offtopic mode
Some questions:
1) As a programmer, do YOU always include exception handlers for the 'out of memory' error? Do you make them so sophisticated that they even try to terminate other processes? Do you handle 'access denied' errors within your 'out of memory' exception handler when it tries to terminate something? And how terminating other processes will help you in getting more virtual address space for your particular application?
2) Ever heard of interlocked (cross-referenced) resources with no accessible valid handlers?

Originally Posted by Ramil

Offtopic mode
Some questions:
1) As a programmer, do YOU always include exception handlers for the 'out of memory' error? Do you make them so sophisticated that they even try to terminate other processes? Do you handle 'access denied' errors within your 'out of memory' exception handler when it tries to terminate something? And how terminating other processes will help you in getting more virtual address space for your particular application?
2) Ever heard of interlocked (cross-referenced) resources with no accessible valid handlers?

1. Speaking about me, I don't ALWAYS do that. But technically it's absolutely real, and not as difficult and sophisticated as you may think. "Access denied" can be handled locally, without an exception handler for that; in addition, ever heard of such things as OS kernel, drivers, R0? If so, you must not have any questions on the further.

2. Specify the kind of resources.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

1. Speaking about me, I don't ALWAYS do that. But technically it's absolutely real, and not as difficult and sophisticated as you may think. "Access denied" can be handled locally, without an exception handler for that; in addition, ever heard of such things as OS kernel, drivers, R0? If so, you must not have any questions on the further.

2. Specify the kind of resources.

OS Kernel (what is it, by the way in your analogy?) would either terminate the buggy application or do nothing. It won't help the USA.exe to start working normally.
2.
COM object A has a reference to COM object B while COM object B has a reference to COM object A. No external references remain. A COM object is released when its reference counter is zero. Since object A still has at least 1 valid reference as well as object B, their reference counters cannot be zeroed. The memory won't be released until the system restarts. That IS called a memory leak. Fairly common among inexperienced programmers. And you cannot clear that memory because OS kernel won't let you. General protection fault on early systems or access denied on newer ones is guaranteed.

Back to the first off-topic. What makes you think that the USA 'developers' had put all these exception handlers before they compiled the whole stuff? What I saw in the past several weeks was more like 'dirty hacking' than even debugging.

Originally Posted by Ramil

OS Kernel (what is it, by the way in your analogy?) would either terminate the buggy application or do nothing. It won't help the USA.exe to start working normally.
2.
COM object A has a reference to COM object B while COM object B has a reference to COM object A. No external references remain. A COM object is released when its reference counter is zero. Since object A still has at least 1 valid reference as well as object B, their reference counters cannot be zeroed. The memory won't be released until the system restarts. That IS called a memory leak. Fairly common among inexperienced programmers. And you cannot clear that memory because OS kernel won't let you. General protection fault on early systems or access denied on newer ones is guaranteed.

Back to the first off-topic. What makes you think that the USA 'developers' had put all these exception handlers before they compiled the whole stuff? What I saw in the past several weeks was more like 'dirty hacking' than even debugging.

1. I meant you could run your code at the same privilege level as the kernel, and use kernel functions as well as accessing kernel objects directly. Then you usually have no problems with doing whatever you wish to any processes, etc.

2. As you might have noticed, I've been talking about a bit more low-level programming than COM programming. After all, you can always tell the OS a certain range of memory is to be freed.

Then, well, speaking in terms of COM programming, such memory leaks do really look lame. But what makes you think the developers are so unexperienced? And why do you think they would use COM model?

Originally Posted by Ramil

Speaking in programmer terms, US as an app has accumulated many memory leaks and now the heap is nearly full of interlocked objects. You'll soon need to terminate and debug it. Or even reboot the whole system.

LOLOL i read this thread from work, was gonna go home and type.. pretty much what you said =))

The ridiculous foreign debt is like a giant memory leak, and so far we've already dished out all RAM access and most of the virtual memory ... =\ Where do we get 2/3x our countries' worth to pay back to foreign debtors? <checks wallet>

Originally Posted by kidkboom

LOLOL i read this thread from work, was gonna go home and type.. pretty much what you said =))

The ridiculous foreign debt is like a giant memory leak, and so far we've already dished out all RAM access and most of the virtual memory ... =\ Where do we get 2/3x our countries' worth to pay back to foreign debtors? <checks wallet>

The FRS will print some, I'm sure