Quote Originally Posted by DDT
Well where else would one go for infomation on an oppositional theory to Evolution, since as stated there is only one alternative and that is that there was Intelligence behind the formation of life?
Well OK, the point I am trying to make is this (and this also adds to the bias discussion that will follow under this): The Evolutional Theory is, as you say, a theory. There are many people, christians, atheists, muslims, and so on, who are scientists that follow the scientific theory. They discover fossiles and interpret the results. They don't have an agenda (at least if they are following the scientific theory), they are not out there trying to fit their findings to a defined theory. They find something, try to find out what it is, where it came from, how old it is, what color it would have liked the most, etc. etc. Then, if it happens to fall in the overwhelming heap of evidence supporting evolution (supporting, not proving) then so be it. They don't say, "look an old bone! This proves that a fish named bob turned into a semi-hyperactive koala!" (well, at least not the vast majority) If they were all fitting it to a defined theory, our knowledge of the field wouldn't be expanding. Recently they found a new type of human species on some island in your neighborhood (don't recall the details) which changes the way we thought of where man originated from. This just shows that the scientific community is willing to adapt to new evidence. It is far more accepting than Creationism, which, without significant evidence, claims that the world was just there. Please feel free to dispute that last sentence.

Hmmm, that was a long point. More of a line, than a point.

Yes, there are scientist who fudge evidence, but you can not ignore the work of millions of honest scientists that work honestly.


Quote Originally Posted by DDT
And further more who is going to decide what exactly an "unbiased source " is? You? Do you think that only an atheist should decide? You best rethink what yoiu are saying here. It sounds like you must think that a scientific dicovery made by a scientist who believes in intelligent design is to be ignored. That is not a scientific attitude. Even Einstein was investigating the possibilities of some sort of creator.
Excuse me, you are saying I am an atheist? You are making assumptions, my friend.

I compare what the Creationist information tells me, versus what The Evolutionists tell me. I did a search on your "Nebraska Man" and all the Creationist sites I visited only had a short description of what happened, exactly enough to fit the point they were trying to make. What is important to me is to know all the facts, so I can decide for myself. The story made more sense when I read the whole situation. Unfortunately, this method can never work 100% because you still have to believe the place you get your facts from. So you pick your sources, according to who you think you can trust. I am always willing to hear both sides of the story.

A good site I have found regarding the sensetive issues of religion is this:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ They list the facts on both sides of the story fairly accurately. I would trust them more than www.creationistissomuchbetterthananythingelse.com

Quote Originally Posted by DDT
I am well aware of the debate over Nebraska Man. The point is there are debates over almost all evolutionist assertions. They don't have any proof of bones of ape-men to date, yet one would not know it by the assertions made in our textbooks.

Why should I not generalize? Scientists who push evolution do it all the time. Double standard! They also have their own half truths.
Well you should not generalize, because you are better than them. I try hard not to generalize, and I know creationists have some valid points, but I feel like when I discuss this this to people who believe in Creationism, they tend to be defensive.


Quote Originally Posted by DDT
Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
DDT, I know you are not the sort of person to promote creationism
What? Of course I am the sort of person to promote Creationism. It is the more logical choice.

Well here is a link but it won't do you any good since you seem to have little patience. Nothing good ever just falls into your lap, you have to dig around a little. Same with knowlege. BUt maybe some one will get something out of it, so here.
http://acs.ucsd.edu/~idea/idtheorymenu.htm
Thanks DDT, I will try to read it later...