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Originally Posted by Dogboy182
But there wasn't a State of Jordan either. And Musilms are not all pissy about that. The Middle East probelm is all about Muslim intolerance of religion. If it is not Muslims hating lews it is Shia against Sunni.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Totally agree, DDT.Quote:
The Middle East probelm is all about Muslim intoerance of religion.
The Muslims see it as their duty to murder anyone that doesn't agree with their religious views.
Anyone that says that Israel is a terrorist nation should quit listening to the biased media and do some research for themselves.
I'm with Lebanon on this, Israel are killing more civillians than Hezbollah, The are bombing the south Lebanese cities to basically make them uninhabbitable, it's a disgrace.
And bombing the U.N. today? What are Israel playing at, ridiculous.
A ceasefire should be called by the strong nations immediatley.
I hope syria and Iran step in to help Lebanon and stop them mindlessly destroying everthing and everyone.
Don't worry Remy, I'll fight for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Remyisme
Hezbollah has to stop deliberatly hiding behind women and children, they are indirectly responsible for their civilians' deaths. However, bombing UN observers is quite a no-no! I doubt Hezbollah was hiding behind them.
Well thats stupid spelling if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vadim84
And true about the civs... Though its sad its hippocritical. You don't see IsrAEl chaining civilians to the sides of tanks and helecopters in an effort to deflect or block bullets, and then complain about civilian casualties.
Why do the terrorists do this?
Oo0o0o You bombed a school!! Well if you wouldn't have taken that school over 5 months ago and started stockpiling weapons there it wouldn't have got bombed.
I stand with Israel. The fanatical extremist Muslims have been preparing for years for this war; they wanted it. If for "Peace" you roll over and "turn the other cheek", they are going to kill you. The Hezbollah want to annihilate the Jews, and the next step is the elimination of Chrisitians and "the West".[
Do you think they could really hope to stop our beloved Israel? ...lol... especially whilst ol' crusadin' george is in the white house? I think not... unless they have a death wish...(which they might.. false ideals of what their religion offers the 'martyr' and all...)Quote:
I hope syria and Iran step in to help Lebanon and stop them mindlessly destroying everthing and everyone.
Frank Zappa Dumb All Over
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
*To poof them out of existance
*While leaving their real estate just where
we need it*
*To use again*
*For temples in which to praise
OUR GOD*
*("Cause he can really take care of
business!")*
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following *God's Orders*
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
*He made us all to be just like Him,"
so...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
*(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)*
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hell *uck :evil: ! Israel was founded by some given lands,there wasn't a country called Israel in near future,they didn't even need to fight for land or their country as they had already got the power with the help of USA.I call Israel as ''The little USA'',but Israel is just a puppet country...
Интересная статься в "Известиях": http://www.izvestia.ru/sokolov/article3094927/
Сладкая и соленая вода
Максим Соколов
Российские споры касательно ливанской войны усугубляются долгой традицией шизофренического отношения к нашим и к израильским проблемам. Хоть наши левые, хоть наши правые как будто специально задавались целью опровергнуть слова о том, что не может из одного источника течь и сладкая, и соленая вода. Текла, да ещё и как.
Леволибералы, огласив весь набор доводов насчет слезинки чеченского ребенка (а равно и моджахеда): "Российская военщина известна всему свету, как мать говорю и как женщина, требую их к ответу", - как только речь заходила о делах арабо-израильских, тут же забывали про свою заутреню в защиту мира и переходили на язык тель-авивских ястребов и военщину к ответу отнюдь не требовали, равно как и слезинка палестинского ребенка их мало волновала.
На противном фланге наблюдалось то же самое. Люди, применительно к российским делам провозглашавшие приверженность интересам общегосударственным, требующим в известных случаях и самой жесткой защиты, в том числе и вооруженной рукой, и отвергавшие всякие иностранные попытки поучения в тех же чеченских делах, столь же чудесно преображались, лишь только речь заходила об Израиле. Вместо рьяного государственника перед нами являлся совершенный лорд Джадд (только что тем же государственником обруганный) со стандартным набором общечеловеческих поучений - "только политический диалог", "недопустимость применения силы", "сопрягать надо, сопрягать" etc.
Такая странная история доктора Джекила и мистера Хайда имеет корни в советском прошлом. Тогда все было проще. Арабисты и борцы с израильской военщиной могли заниматься своим делом без лишних сомнений, поскольку не было ситуации стеклянного дома, мешающей бросаться камнями в других. Когда не было риска самому оказаться в роли израильской военщины, выступать против нее было хорошо. В 90-е гг. мы сами оказались в этой роли, и в сочетании со старыми обычаями вышла шизофрения. Точно так же диссидентствующей общественности, когда она аплодировала Израилю, и помститься не могло, что на территории РСФСР появится нечто вроде палестинских патриотов и с ними что-то придется делать. Когда они появились, "Мир Чечне!" и "Хэвену шалом алейхем" тоже вступили меж собой в шизофренические отношения.
Различие между левыми и правыми тут неизбывно. Одни говорят: "Кто исполнен истинным духом общечеловеческим, тот найдет в себе способность и словами, и жестами, и всем своим видом так подействовать на несчастного темного брата, сумеет произвести на него такое потрясающее впечатление, что он сразу постигнет свою ошибку и откажется от своего ложного пути". Другие возражают: "Слова-то были бы тут, пожалуй, вполне неуместны. А что касается жестов, производящих потрясающее впечатление, то лучше залпов картечи, воля ваша, для данных обстоятельств ничего не придумаешь".
Лично я полностью придерживаюсь второго мнения. Когда речь идет о безопасности страны, без жестов, производящих потрясающее впечатление, бывает, что не обойтись, и когда Израиль стоит перед такой необходимостью, наносить ему удар в спину было бы не только низко, но и довольно глупо. У России не так много естественных союзников, чтобы ими с легкостью прокидываться непонятно ради чего. В контексте "ради чего" про арабскую верность просьба не рассказывать. Но в любом случае лучше, когда и та, и другая позиция отличаются последовательностью. Если уж леволибералы, то пусть будут как европейцы, которым равно милы хоть Ичкерия, хоть Хезболла - лишь бы пнуть ненавистную военщину. Если уж государственники и националисты, то такие, которые признают и за другими нациями право на безопасность. Особенно если эти нации, подобно Израилю, нам ничего плохого не сделали. Мерьте какой угодно меркой, но только единой - без шизофрении.
Подвижки в этом смысле пошли. Леволибералы еще не сочувствуют Хезболле, но уже и не приветствуют израильскую военщину. Наши державники еще не поют осанну Цахалу, но уже не разворачивают мощную борьбу за мир. Сразу ждать чего-то большего было бы трудно, но признаки излечения от шизофрении наблюдаются. Процесс будет постепенный, чтобы встать с головы на ноги, нужны промежуточные телодвижения, но лучше так, чем никак. Лучше и нам, и Израилю.
16:15 25.07.06
There wasn't a country of Jordan either and it was drawn up at the same time as Israel. As a matter of a fact most of the countries in the Middle ERast had there lines drawn up for them. Biut I don't see any Arabs trying to get rid of Jordan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Орчун
Wake up man, this is not about land ....it is about religion.
Yup right,gotcha.you also said that manEspecially this was what i was trying sayQuote:
As a matter of a fact most of the countries in the Middle ERast had there lines drawn up for them.
usual hippie comments... they are boring
I cry ... and pray for peace... Israel kills more civillians, they are evil... blah blah blah. uneducated people.
has anyone played Sid Meiers Civilizations? (I , II or III)
I don't why? But all this crying and whining reminds me of all those articles saying that heat is killing people here Europe. Jeez so what? I mean who gives a flying f***?
oh well probably "consciousness for the masses", I guess. it is sad that here kids and sadly parents, don't have enough common sense to understand that when weather is hot you are supposd to drink more water.
Why is it sad if you don't give a flying f***? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordan
Time to be a little less selfish, Mordanchik!
well of course all the muslims want to do is kill anyone who isn't muslim...its written as a command in their koran(or however you spell that). They beleive that if they kill everyone who isn't muslim, and better yet, 'martyr' yourself by commiting suicide in order to take others' lives, you get rewards from Allah. like 10 wives or something like that...
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in their koran(or however you spell that)
Exactly. You know nothing about Islam so don't open your mouth.Quote:
like 10 wives or something like that...
Christianity is no better than Islam.
im just stating a fact, i've read the koran before. all im saying is what it says.
I didn't say anything is better than anything.
Exactly. You know nothing about Islam so don't open your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by basurero
Christianity is no better than Islam.[/quote:3bo2smtl]
And it doesn't sound like you know anything about Christianity.
We can argue all day long about what bad things Christians did and what bad things Muslims did, so I think that it is better to go straight to the source and judge the actions of Jesus against Mohammed.
Jesus:
Never had an army.
Never killed anyone.
Never ordered anyone to kill anyone.
Never stole anything.
Never raped anyone.
Never told his deciples it was ok to rape anyone.
Never was a child molestor.
Said, "Treat people the manner that you would want them to treat you."
"Love your enemies."
Mohammed:
Built a great army.
Went on about 20 campaigns of war, killing and mutilating as he went.
Ordered the death of hundred or thousands of prisoners. (900 Jews in one place)
Stole and looted camel trains or caravans to finance his first expeditions.
Raped women after first hacking the husbands into pieces in front of them.
Told his warriors that Allah said it was OK for them to rape hunreds captive women as long as they didn't ejaculate in them.
Had sex with an 8 or 9 year old girl who still played her dolls, when he was 56 years old. Her name was Aisha.
Said:
Christians and Jews are nothing more than pigs and apes. Search them out ant kill them where ever you find them.
So before you go equating Christianity with Islam and then "throwing the baby out with the bath water" I suggest you dig quite a bit deeper than where ever you have been digging.
Лол, ок ты прав.
Религия просто меня раздражает и мне охота было оскорбить кого-нибудь..... Я знал, что кто-то выругает меня за то, что я написал....
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Конечно! Это точно, поскольку как этот форум должен использоваться.:DQuote:
Я знал, что кто-то меня выругал бы за то, что я написал....
(er.......you might need to correct that!)
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Originally Posted by DDT
Спасибо. Правилен ли следующий вариант?
Я знал, что кто-нибудь меня выругает за то, что я написал....
Absolutely right !!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by basurero
Элвис Жив!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuvak
it is sad becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
1) it shows people are uneducated and are lacking common sense
2) the news feed themselves on emotional stuff, bad events, negative energy. I hate it. It does not bring good waves and helps making this world like it is today.
But if the media informs the public that there are many heat-related deaths at the moment, than people can exercise extra caution. You canQuote:
Originally Posted by Mordan
Dear Prime Minister,
I am writing to express my deepest concern about the killing of more than 300 civilian Lebanese, including dozens of children, by Israeli air strikes in Lebanon in the week since 12 July. Hundreds of other civilians have been injured during those attacks as well.
During their air strikes, the Israeli forces have also damaged civilian infrastructure throughout Lebanon. They have deliberately targeted and destroyed dozens of bridges, roads, powers stations, the international airport and ports, grain silos and other facilities. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been forced to flee their homes, notably in South Lebanon and in the suburbs of the capital, Beirut. Such attacks are a blatant breach of international humanitarian law and some amount to war crimes.
I took this from Amnesty International
[quote=Kamion]Dear Prime Minister,
I am writing to express my deepest concern about the killing of more than 300 civilian Lebanese, including dozens of children, by Israeli air strikes in Lebanon in the week since 12 July. Hundreds of other civilians have been injured during those attacks as well.
During their air strikes, the Israeli forces have also damaged civilian infrastructure throughout Lebanon. They have deliberately targeted and destroyed dozens of bridges, roads, powers stations, the international airport and ports, grain silos and other facilities. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been forced to flee their homes, notably in South Lebanon and in the suburbs of the capital, Beirut. Such attacks are a blatant breach of international humanitarian law and some amount to war crimes.
I took this from Amnesty International
Интересно, как бы Швеция или Турция реагировали на военное нападение с соседней страны и на призывы к их уничтожению?
Аналогия не совсем уместна. Почему например ты оправдываешь действия Израиля, а представители мусульманского мира и европы их осуждают? Это не вопрос того что "на самом деле" и не того что правильно а что нет. А вопрос самодентификации высказывающегося ИМХО.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
[quote=Alware][quote=Kamion]Dear Prime Minister,
I am writing to express my deepest concern about the killing of more than 300 civilian Lebanese, including dozens of children, by Israeli air strikes in Lebanon in the week since 12 July. Hundreds of other civilians have been injured during those attacks as well.
During their air strikes, the Israeli forces have also damaged civilian infrastructure throughout Lebanon. They have deliberately targeted and destroyed dozens of bridges, roads, powers stations, the international airport and ports, grain silos and other facilities. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been forced to flee their homes, notably in South Lebanon and in the suburbs of the capital, Beirut. Such attacks are a blatant breach of international humanitarian law and some amount to war crimes.
I took this from Amnesty International
Уже и спросить нельзя.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alware
Кстати, ты хочешь сказать, что объективным в данной теме быть нельзя?
"самодентификация"? Опять новое слово.
[quote=Kamion][quote=Alware][quote=Kamion]Dear Prime Minister,
I am writing to express my deepest concern about the killing of more than 300 civilian Lebanese, including dozens of children, by Israeli air strikes in Lebanon in the week since 12 July. Hundreds of other civilians have been injured during those attacks as well.
During their air strikes, the Israeli forces have also damaged civilian infrastructure throughout Lebanon. They have deliberately targeted and destroyed dozens of bridges, roads, powers stations, the international airport and ports, grain silos and other facilities. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been forced to flee their homes, notably in South Lebanon and in the suburbs of the capital, Beirut. Such attacks are a blatant breach of international humanitarian law and some amount to war crimes.
I took this from Amnesty International
...and most seem to think that Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, al-Qaeda, Syria etc. are totally indistinguishable from each other and part of one uniform Muslim conspiracy against the West. When the reality is a lot more complex. For example, al-Qaeda are a Wahhabist movement who view Shias with contempt and see them as not being real Muslims. That's why Zarqawi and the foreign fighters in Iraq target car bombs at Shia civilians in an attempt to provoke outright civil war in the country. Hezbollah is a Shia organisation and has no admiration for or connection with al-Qaeda. Even Hamas has no real links with al-Qaeda and is solely focused on its fight against Israel while al-Qaeda has little real interest in the Palestinian cause, being more concerned with the overthrow of pro-Western governments in the rest of the Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamion
Just allowing Israel to bash Hezbollah isn't necessarily going to make things any better, in fact there's a grave risk it will make matters much worse. Lebanon is a fragile multiethnic society that is still recovering from years of civil war and could fall apart again in the face of this onslaught, creating another failed state for al-Qaeda fighters to operate in. Also perhaps Bush and his pals should stop and think how the Shias in Iraq feel about seeing their brothers in Lebanon bombed relentlessly by Israel day after day (now with American supplied bunker busting bombs). The Sunni population is already in revolt at the American presence there, how much worse will it be for American soldiers on the ground if the Shias turn against them too?
That's because this is where you lose the argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Kamion
It doesn't really matter about their personal squabbles with each other!!Quote:
Originally Posted by prospector
They are all united in their cause to destroy Israel
their hate for USA and their love for the man Mohammed who raped his enemies wives. And that pretty mush somes up the kind of people you are spending valualble time defending.
Er......yes it is. They won't be able to launch rockets into Israel from South Lebabnon anymore.Duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by prospector
Hazbollah is the same Basayev, Raduyev, Dudayev. They must be dead.
You seem a little confused, I'm not defending the actions of any of these groups, just seeking to explain the relationships and the complexity of the situation. Perhaps, if someone had explained the realities of the situation in the Middle East to Bush and his supporters they mightn't have blundered into Iraq and made such a right royal mess of it all. (That's a hell of a big 'if' though!)Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
The rockets are still flying over, if things were as simple as you suggest then why didn't Israel's massive campaigns in Lebanon in 1978 and 1982 not succeed in bringing peace and security to Israel's northern border? And if Israel couldn't crush Hezbollah in the 90s, what's changed now that would allow them to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
In any case, Israel's response goes way beyond just attacking rocket launching sites and stockpiles, the wholesale destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure is threatening the very stability of the country, that's not going to make Israel any more secure.
Also, why did Israel agree to a prisoner swap with Hezbollah before? This set a precedent for this activity. If Israel refused such an arrangement then, it might make her insistence on no negotiations now a little easier to understand.