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    Estonia goes berserk!

    Check this out! Estonians lose their minds and rip down a monument thinking that they can erase history of Soviet era.
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    It is fair! What effect did they think the demolishing of the monument could make? It was dedicated to neither the Soviet reign, nor the Soviet troops who were stationed in postwar Estonia. It was a memorial to several young men who had lost their lives defending their own and other Estonians' land.

    Latvia and Estonia are teasing a bear. It won't be surprise if it bites off their heads.

    PS: I would appreciate it if anyone would correct my errors in the above.

    Thanks for your corrections chaika!
    Я так думаю.

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    Fairly! == This word makes no sense to me.

    What effect did they think _ demolishing _ the monument would have? It was dedicated neither to the Soviet regime, nor to the Soviet troops who were stationed in postwar Estonia. It was a memorial to several young men who had lost their young lives defending their own and other Estonians' land.

    Latvia and Estonia are teasing a bear. It won't be surprise if] it bites off their heads.

    PS: I would appreciate it if anyone would correct my errors in the above.

    Instead of "neither to X nor to Y" I would write "to neither X nor Y," and I would not repeat "young," but these are stylistic quibbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaika
    Fairly! == This word makes no sense to me.
    I think he means "It's only fair."

    As for "neither to X nor to Y," it's perfectly acceptable.
    "С чий очи сънувам, чий е този лик обречен?
    Смъртен глас ми се причува и отеква с вик далечен
    Как да зърна да погледна, чуждий образ да прегърна,
    на лицето ми студено грях в надежда да превърна.."

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    "fair" makes no sense. Leofs' statement does not imply fairness on the behalf of Estonians. He must be thinking of another word.
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    I wished to say it was justly, naturally, something what one could expect. So my dictionary says - fairly - справедливо. The events which happened afterwards the demolishing of the statue were fair.
    Я так думаю.

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    OK but what you have written about the situation makes me think that you don't that it is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    OK but what you have written about the situation makes me think that you don't think that it is fair.
    I know it's a typo, but I corrected so that others could understand.

    EDIT: I just noticed my own typo. Fixed )
    "С чий очи сънувам, чий е този лик обречен?
    Смъртен глас ми се причува и отеква с вик далечен
    Как да зърна да погледна, чуждий образ да прегърна,
    на лицето ми студено грях в надежда да превърна.."

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    Oh thanks!
    Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade where I choose, free to choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to talk, think and act for myself. - Chief Joseph, Nez Perce

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    Then I have to explain myself. I think the way the Estonian government shows its antipathy to the Soviets is unfair. But I do think it's fair that they got those chaotic situation in the streets of Tallin. Both Latvia and Estonia play with the fire.
    Я так думаю.

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    Another bs I don't understand. The hell with the monuments. It ain't that urgent a thing to worry about.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    In other words, what goes around comes around!

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    I have heard it suggested that they removed the monument to make room for some sort of corporation to put a building. What do you think?
    Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade where I choose, free to choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to talk, think and act for myself. - Chief Joseph, Nez Perce

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    What for would they dismantle the monument otherwise? Mercantilistic thinking is no thing I wonder about since my growing-up.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    There was no such a reason for replacing the graves and the monument, I suspect. The only reason was to provoke Russia.

    Thank you for correction tohca!
    Я так думаю.

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    It's just two groups of idiot nationalists shouting at each other.

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    It is of course!
    Я так думаю.

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    Да как это вы не обижаетесь на это? Ведь это осквернение памяти ваших же предков, погибших в борьбе против фашизма, защищая ваше спокойствие, и теперь вы говорите, что это - внтуреннее дело, не касающееся вас? Это обижает и меня, и при этом я не русский!
    "С чий очи сънувам, чий е този лик обречен?
    Смъртен глас ми се причува и отеква с вик далечен
    Как да зърна да погледна, чуждий образ да прегърна,
    на лицето ми студено грях в надежда да превърна.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeed
    Да как это вы не обижаетесь на это? Ведь это осквернение памяти ваших же предков, погибших в борьбе против фашизма, защищая ваше спокойствие, и теперь вы говорите, что это - внтуреннее дело, не касающееся вас? Это обижает и меня, и при этом я не русский!
    Why do you automatically assume that being occupied by the SU was subjectively better than being occupied by the Nazis? They were both unwelcome, brutal, oppresive, foreign powers. The only difference, from Estonia's point of view, is that the SU won and was able to build monuments with insincere and hypocritical inscriptions.

    Had Germany won the war, that memorial would have commemorated погибших в борьбе против коммунизма (though it would have been in German), and it would have been just as unwelcome by the Estonians 60 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeed
    Да как это вы не обижаетесь на это? Ведь это осквернение памяти ваших же предков, погибших в борьбе против фашизма, защищая ваше спокойствие, и теперь вы говорите, что это - внтуреннее дело, не касающееся вас? Это обижает и меня, и при этом я не русский!
    Язид, кто говорит что это нас не касается? Да на любом новостном форуме, где можно обсуждать новости, ты сможешь много интересного узнать про то, как это "нас не касается"! Даже на форумах балтийских стран - к примеру посмотри новости на http://rus.delfi.lv или здесь почитай - http://www.e1.ru/talk/forum/list.php?f=9
    Мнения самые разные - от "не покупать ничего эстонского" (честно говроря, никто не знает что они вобще производят ) до призывов поехать туда на танках....
    Лично моё отношение - Эти @#$%@%$ эстонцы совсем %$#%$!!! Я считаю что раз эти %#%## поддерживают решение своих "№;%: властей о раскопке могил и ставят памятнике СС-овцам, то русские в праве приехать туда на танках и решить эстонскую проблему раз и навсегда. Но нынешнее правительсво России - такие же "№;%% и трусливые ублюдки как и эстонцы.
    Gib immer 100% bei der Arbeit: 12% am Montag, 23% am Dienstag, 40% am Mittwoch, 20% am Donnerstag, 5% am Freitag ...

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