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Kakiye russkiye molodtsi :lol: Nado im konfetku dat' :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
Не вижу повода для иронии. Слава героям!Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
Yeah right...heroes... I forgot...Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
Dude, what's your beef against the Russian soldiers? They are at fault for the war as much as American soldiers are for Iraq. IE Not at all :roll:
Tell me more, tell me more!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
:lol:
And , who told you that I like all that mess in Iraq???
А вы, (Edited. L.), никогда воевать и не умели :) Только под ногами валялись, сначала у поляков, потом у немцев, потом у русских.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
(Не в обиду будет нормальным украинцам сказано).
Hey! Hold your horses... If it is any of your business, I'll tell you - I am against wars, period... But really, (Edited. L.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
Вот тут про Чечню.
Воспоминания Геннадия Трошева.
Хорошие снимки, спасибо. Мне особенно понравился вот этот:
http://ru.fishki.net/picsu/chechnya_86.jpg
Забавно: неужели эти деньги еще имели хождение в Чечне?
These soldiers did not start the war. They are heroes, whether you like it or not.
Actually, I agree. One can't really call one group heroes and not the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
I am not sure that all of our Russian friends are of the same opinion though.
По-моему, речь вообще не о героях и не о героизме.Quote:
Originally Posted by laxxy
Просто во всех сообщениях charlestonian'а явно проскальзывает неприязнь к русским и к России. Ему все равно по какому поводу ее выказать.
Насколько я понимаю, этот форум немного для другого предназначен.
Everybody is entitled to his /her opinion; неприязнь, yes... There is so much crap in Russia... Tell me why should I love it? To each his own. I don't ask you to love America though it has much more than Russia to be proud of...Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
Если ты мне отвечаешь, то не старайся - я почти не читаю по-английски...Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
И ты, кстати, это знаешь. Отвечать человеку на малопонятном ему языке - еще одно проявления бестактности.
1. Я там не родилась.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
2. От меня плохих слов об Америке никто не слышал.
3. Постоянные оскорбления в адрес родины никого не красят.
:o Ya ne schitayu Rossiyu rodinoi.... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Оля
Более истинные слова никогда не говорились!Quote:
Originally Posted by VendingMachine
Могло я представлять другой сайт о российских солдатах.
http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Russia/MVD.htm
Scroll down to OMON (Black Berets)
The people who only truly understand war are regrettably never included in such lively discussions as we are having. Oh yeah...that's right...they are dead!!
Interesting point.......but you don't actually have to be dead to understand war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siriusly
Отличные фотографии. Грустно, что пришлось этим парням рисковать жизнью в войне несмотря на то, что она никак не относится к ним... как в Ираке...
Нет, просто в первую чеченскую когда штурмовали дворец Дудаева, заняли и здание госбанка. Там в подвалах действительно было дофига СССР-овских денег. Читай Миронова, "Я был на этой войне"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio
:o Да... Very, very questionable... BTW, dude, what are you doing here at this forum with such a mood ??? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
I suspect he may be here to learn the Russian language, something which, I can assure you, does not require one to love Russia in general, or Mr Putin and his foreign policy in particular.
His Russian is perfect. At least better than mine. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by scotcher
A good knowledge of an enemy is a half of a victory, yeah? :wink:
Как что? Он, как и положено настоящему культурному эстонцу по отношению к русским, гадит по малому (по большому не могут, лопнуть боятся). У него другие герои: недобитые эсэсовцы, Дудаев с Басаевым, USщенка, а теперь еще Сцукошвили. Вот им слава!Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
Then perhaps he has an interest in Russian politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
Once again, this in no way precludes holding an opinion not to the liking of those who have drunk the Kool-Aid of Russian nationalism.
To love a Motherland is not equal to nationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotcher
What is bad in nationalism? It is salvation. . Nation should be the very foundation of the state. The highest form of national unity.
No it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
But attacking someone for expressing a criticism of one particular aspect of thet motherland probably is.
There is only one step from nationalism to nazism. I don't think that the people for example in Georgia or in US or elsewhere somewhat worse than myself. I count that there are only bad or stupid guys, who make the policy of some countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
Свою маму не за что-то любят, а просто так. И какой у Вас повод гордиться Америкой, если её такую хорошую построили до Вашего переезда туда ?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
Nationalism is a tool used by those in power to manipulate the beliefs of its people.
It serves no other purpose, never has done, and never will do.
Вообще-то он дал понять, что не любит Россию и русских вообще, а не какой-то один аспект, вот я и удивился. Думаешь мне всё у нас нравится? Я тебе могу назвать тысячу аспектов у нас, к критике которых я обеими руками присоединюсь.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotcher
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotcher
I disagree. He was attacked in the first instance for daring to suggest that Russian soldiers serving in Chechnya are not heroes, and it escalated from there. I do not see him claiming to dislike all aspects of Russia in any of his posts, only you lot filling in imaginary blanks and putting those words into his mouth in your responses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
But either way... so what? The point still stands. Even if he did hate absolutely everything about Russia, that has nothing whatsoever to do with his 'right' to learn the Russian language or contribute to a Russian language internet forum.
Nationalism is a method, or so to say, basic rule of creating and upholding the state. Nothing more. It cannot be used to manipulate anything or anyone.Quote:
Nationalism is a tool used by those in power to manipulate the beliefs of its people.
As I wrote above:Quote:
Originally Posted by scotcher
:lol:Quote:
A good knowledge of an enemy is a half of a victory.
A non-nationalistic state has no nation.
OK, your definition of nationalism is different to mine, we'll just have to leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors