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    ...то уже и не будет

    OK, I have been going crazy trying to translate this one. I know I am missing something. Would one of you native speakers be willing to fill me in?



    "If in 60 years there are no more children, that will no longer be. If in 50 years there is no money, that will no longer be. If in 40 years there is no health, that will no longer be. If in 30 years there is no love, that will no longer But why? - Because in 20 years, there has been no brain."

    I know I am missing something here, either some idiom or some profound nuance or something. Any clues would be great
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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Here "у тебя" is omitted but implied everywhere. So more natural way is to use "you have", I beieve. "If you haven't children in 60, you'll never have. etc."
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    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo View Post
    Here "у тебя" is omitted but implied everywhere. So more natural way is to use "you have", I beieve. "If you haven't children in 60, you'll never have. etc."
    "If you don' have children in 60 years, you'll never have them. If you don't have money in 50 years, you'll never have that. If you don't acquire health in 40 years, you never will. If you still haven't found love in 30 years, you won't find it. Why? -- Because after 20 years, you have no brain."

    Better? What do you think?
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    "If you don' have children in 60 years, you'll never have them. If you don't have money in 50 years, you'll never have that. If you don't acquire health in 40 years, you never will. If you still haven't found love in 30 years, you won't find it. Why? -- Because after 20 years, you have no brain."

    Better? What do you think?
    For me better. But I am not an English native.
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    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo View Post
    For me better. But I am not an English native.
    But the sense is that all the other things went wrong because the subject did not have a brain in the first place? If I am understanding it correctly?
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    But the sense is that all the other things went wrong because the subject did not have a brain in the first place? If I am understanding it correctly?
    Yes. "No brains", brainless is an idiom in Russian as well as in English. You failed your life because you spent your young years brainlessy.
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    brainlessly, I guess.

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    This text is a famous group of the proverbs, but worded in opposite order, so they start sounding like a philosophic joke.

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    Brainlessly... indeed, a very good word for this day and age. Thanks for the help guys! I will share the quote on my Facebook wall. Maybe someone will even learn something from it? lol
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Lots of anecdotes! Thank you
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    But could be "in 60 years" really translated "when you're 60"?
    I always thought that the only one translation was: через 60 лет.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmixiv View Post
    But could be "in 60 years" really translated "when you're 60"?
    I always thought that the only one translation was: через 60 лет.
    Hmmm... in that case it would have to be translated more like ""If you don't have children by the time you're 60, you'll never have them. If you don't have money by 50, you'll never have that. If you don't acquire health by 40, you never will. If you still haven't found love at 30, you won't find it. Why? -- Because even after 20 years, you have no brain."
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    I like the latest version. But I propose to change "acquire health" to "preserve health" because we gain money, children etc, but the health can only be "spent". And more: why don't "Because by 20 you hadn't got brain" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmixiv View Post
    I like the latest version. But I propose to change "acquire health" to "preserve health" because we gain money, children etc, but the health can only be "spent". And more: why don't "Because by 20 you hadn't got brain" ?
    I think that it would be better did not use your brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Because even after 20 years, you have no brain."
    Because when you were 20, you had no brain.

    Another one philosophic joke: Я собираюсь жить вечно, и пока все идет хорошо.
    (Usually about a young "brainless" person)

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    "If you don't have children by the time you're 60, you'll never have them. If you don't have money by 50, you'll never have that. If you can't preserve health by 40, you never will. If you still haven't found love at 30, you won't find it. Why? -- Because even after 20 years, you haven't used your brain!"

    There.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Actually, the proverb implies that a person still doesn't have brain although they are 20. Because they have to be smart (potentially, at least) at the age of 20. It doesn't mean they haven't used brain after that.

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    a person still doesn't have brain although they are 20
    Because when you were 20, you had no brain.
    Yes, to be exact we need to combine two into one large sentence? English is too difficult!

    Another my shot in the dark: "Your brain had not grown by 20"
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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    "Because even at 20, you still don't have a brain."
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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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