Thread: История происхождения слов Россия, русский...

Yesterday, I was reading some articles about the history of the word "Россия".

But I got confused! because in one of them, it was written that the word "Россия" is from сакрального языка, and it means "cветлый". And somewhere else it was written that it is originated from the word "рос",... and lots of different explanations that were not related to each other.

Is there anyone who can tell me the origination of the words: Россия and русский?

Thanks in advance!!!

Actually, there’s no answer. You can find only numerous points of view because it’s really hard to etymologize the words. Россия takes its roots in the Old Russian form Русь, which is akin to Greek and Arabic ethnonyms of “Norsemen” and these are the only things we can know for sure.

There is no exact answer. I know some theories, but "светлый" is something new
Some scientists approve that the word "Россия" has occurred from the name of Normans Tribe "русь". Our first konung Рюрик had come therefrom. It is one of many variants.

I believe that 'Россия' and 'русский' are from 'Русь'. But what 'Русь' is from, I don't know.

Yes, maybe you are right!

But, what about the theory that says: many years ago there was a word named : Рассия, and this word is made up of the words "ра" which means: sun, and the word "сия" which means: to shine?

In my opinion, this theory is logical too!

What do you think?

There is no exact answer. I know some theories, but "светлый" is something new

Well... русь - русый (как русые волосы)
Can't say anything about this theory though...

Originally Posted by empress

many years ago there was a word named : Рассия, and this word is made up of the words "ра" which means: sun, and the word "сия" which means: to shine?

I'm afraid to think then what means "Пер-сия"...

The nonsense that the syllable "ра" in Russian words like, say, "ура" has something to do with the Egyptian god of the sun, I hear only from M.Zadornov which is as good as a linguist as me as a boxer...

Originally Posted by empress

Yes, maybe you are right!

But, what about the theory that says: many years ago there was a word named : Рассия, and this word is made up of the words "ра" which means: sun, and the word "сия" which means: to shine?

In my opinion, this theory is logical too!

What do you think?

This one is not even a theory, just a fabrication of Russian nationalists and neopaganism followers. No logic whatsoever.

Well! It seems that there is no valid information about the origination and the meaning of the words Россия and русский.

But in my opinion, there must be a meaning for these words. For instance the word "Петербург" is from German, and it means "Peter's town or city", or "Ленинград" which is made up of the words "Ленин" and "город". "Москва" and "проспект" have history too. And there are lots of other words in russian which have their own meaning and history.

If a russian wants to find the origination of the word "Россия" where does she/he refer to???

I'm sure that there is at least one reference book for this purpose!

Originally Posted by empress

Yes, maybe you are right!

But, what about the theory that says: many years ago there was a word named : Рассия, and this word is made up of the words "ра" which means: sun, and the word "сия" which means: to shine?

In my opinion, this theory is logical too!

What do you think?

I seriously doubt it. It may start with Ру- or Ро-, but not Ра-
And it has nothing to do with Egyptian Ra.

Норманисты еще во времена дворянской историографии полностью принимали летописную легенду о возникновении Древнерусского государства и происхождении династии русских князей в результате призвания варягов, которые и назывались «русью». Антинорманисты старались доказать, что призванная «русь» — это не скандинавы. Одни считали их славянами из Принеманской области, другие видели в варягах славянское племя вагров с Балтийского моря. Следует подчеркнуть, что и в том и в другом случав речь, идет о славянских племенах, уже в значительной степени перенявших быт окружавших их неславянских народов.Часть ан- тинорманистов склонялась к тому, что термин «русь» местного, восточнославянского проис- хождения. Подобный же корень находили и в названии одного из готских племен, сталкивав- шихся со славянами. Судя по «ПОВЕСТИ ВРЕМЕННЫХ ЛЕТ», договорам с греками и свидетельству Константина Багрянородного, первоначально Русь означала Киевскую, Черниговскую, Переяславскую земли — древнейшее территориальное ядро государства. Академик Б. А. Рыбаков именует Русью коренную землю восточных славян, область Среднего Поднепровья. Она представляла собой небольшую местность в виде треугольника, основанием которого явилось Поросье, т. е. течение реки Рось и ее притока Росава, вершиной — Киев, а одной из сторон — правый берег Днепра.

Следует учитывать разницу в звучании терминов «русы» и «росы». Корень «рус» отложился на севере: Порусье, Околорусье. Старая Русса. Возможно балтийское происхождение ряда наз- ваний с корнем «рус» — «русс» в районах Меты, Ильменя, Волхова: озеро Пруса, река Прусы- ня, озеро Врусское, река Русская. А вот в Среднем Поднепровье распространен корень «рос»: Рось, Ростава, Поросье. Эти корни встречаются на землях, заселенных разными народами.

Большинство современных ученых склоняются к мнению о возможном одновременном су- ществовании терминов: «русь»на севере и «рось» на юге Восточной Европы.

Originally Posted by empress

And there are lots of other words in russian which have their own meaning and history.

And there are also a lot of words in Russian (as well as in any other language) whose origin is impossible to establish with certainty.

Well, thank you all, friends!

I think I somehow got the answer of my question!!!

Originally Posted by empress

Is there anyone who can tell me the origination of the words: Россия and русский?

Есть только версии:
русская: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C
английская: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_ ... erivatives