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Well, they did have some foolishness, but it was the kind of foolishness the Dutch cannot afford. How many troops were dispatched by, say, the Soviets to Afghanistan? A few divisions, and that was...

Who said anything about a successful invasion?[/quote]
Well, I thought we were discussing politics, not sandbox games.


I disagree: the war-mongering clan is comprised of the states who can or...

No, they could not. A couple of messages earlier in this thread I gave a link to a NATO document with the strengths of the NATO member armies. The Netherlands had no more than three full divisions,...

All right, joysof, let's go back to my question:



So far you have not been able to produce a single answer to this question. That means your set of answers does not contain any answer (at the...

Where did I offend you? Oh, I mentioned that the Dutch police and the army are incapable of dealing with the Dutch crime. Mortal offence, I see.

I assume that in a "civil discussion" (whatever...

Who exactly are holding out there? Would you care to name a couple of great accomplishments they had within the last couple of weeks?


How many criminals do you have in Holland? I bet a lot more...

Funny, it looks like it is empty actually.

Beside the point. It means nothing for the question "Is this a mere mopping up operation or a war?" we were addressing.[/quote:2tzwkkhe]
Oh really? What was your .sig saying just a week ago? That...

The first question here is "where would they do that". If you have a non-empty set of answers, then there is indeed something to be said about the morality of the filthy war mongers such as the...

Actually, it is quite simple. Most ethnic non-Chechens had left Chechnya before the first Chechen war, because their lives were very much at stake there. So you can very safely assume that whatever...

It isn't, at least not vastly. Whence came this idea that I am making the case for the Americans and their footling coalition?[/quote]

Well, did you not say that the Russian government was...

Who cares about Afghanistan? It was foreign ground. The Afghani never attacked Russia. The Caucasus is not foreign, and the Chechens did attack Russia. They also did a lot of bad things to the...

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I don't even know how to react to such naivity. Sounds like a US general in the late 60s about Vietnam...[/quote:l7deezf9]
Could be. But the Russians have a well established...

They 'deserve' an undeclared, unmonitored dirty war, do they? All of them?[/quote]
Good stuff, joysof. Stop putting words in my mouth. We're were comparing them with that thing in Spain, remember?...

Another difference: the Chechen state, when it was granted pretty much sovereignty, ended up attacking Russia. Would you remind that phrase in your second mother tongue that mentions "la guerre" two...

Quite right. So to sum it up, no matter what the Russians really do, as soon as a biased reporter says "the Russians do these horrible things AGAIN", everybody buys that, no questions asked. We're in...

I'll wait for a reply from joysof anyway. I still do not see a connection with kidnapping – the Chechens used to kidnap the Russians, but I do not think it was ever sanctioned by the Russian...

Read it a few times I have but see a connection with my question I cannot.

I wonder if we are going to hear "Oh the Spanish government did it because they want a free hand against the brave Basque separatists"... you know the kind of stories we always end up hearing when...