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    Sorry mate, I don't even understand what you're...

    Sorry mate, I don't even understand what you're trying to say here, and this is getting tiresome and circular anyway, so I'm going to leave it.

    You originally asked "I wonder why many textbooks...
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    But these orthographic distinctions are...

    But these orthographic distinctions are meaningless to anyone who does not understand the concept of palatalization in the first place! You have to understand the difference between ль and л before...
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    That depends. Is it a textbook for academic...

    That depends. Is it a textbook for academic study, say year 1 in a series that's supposed to last you throughout school, or is it a book for people who are visiting England in a month's time and...
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    Right, so you're now agreeing with precisely what...

    Right, so you're now agreeing with precisely what I've been saying in the thread all along.
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    Yes, all this is true, but we're not discussing...

    Yes, all this is true, but we're not discussing whether there is a distinction, we're discussing whether that distinction is important enough to warrant being explained at great length in a...
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    Exactly, it's about how you're taught, and your...

    Exactly, it's about how you're taught, and your motivations for learning in the first place. Beginner Russian texts for English speakers are not aimed at the same sort of market or trying to achieve...
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    It does make the sound closer though. It doesn't...

    It does make the sound closer though. It doesn't make it correct, but it is closer. Ask any English speaker to say "nyet" and what you hear will be a lot closer to "нет" than if you'd asked him to...
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    They are less important. They're not completely...

    They are less important. They're not completely unimportant, but comparatively they are less important.



    No, it's not the same, because there are plenty of circumstances in English where mixing...
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    No one is suggesting speaking "Russian with...

    No one is suggesting speaking "Russian with English sounds", merely that the distinction between hard and soft consonants is rarely (if ever) a real-world impediment to understanding on its own,...
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    Don't forget that English in Russia is a...

    Don't forget that English in Russia is a widespread academic subject which most learners begin in school, so beginner English texts in Russia are introductory-level academic works. In contrast,...
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    I'm not arguing the toss one way or the other, I...

    I'm not arguing the toss one way or the other, I was just pointing out the justification for glossing over that aspect of the language in beginner texts.
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    Most anglo beginners will struggle to hear or...

    Most anglo beginners will struggle to hear or even understand the distinctions between soft and hard consonants, let alone be able to reproduce them, and in the meantime explaining "ся" as "s + ya"...
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