Thread: Russian Oligarchs

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

А вы почему не избавились от него за столько лет?

Хотя мне кажется кто-то здесь путает советскую прописку с вышеупомянутой регистрацией. Но удивляться здесь нечему.

Во-первых, кто "мы"? =)) Где еще всем нужно в обязательном порядке уведомлять местные власти о том, где ты живешь? =))

Во-вторых, а в чем разница, кроме названия? Было: "гражданин должен быть прописан по месту жительства", стало: "гражданин должен иметь регистрацию по месту жительства".

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Во-первых, кто "мы"? =))

Ны вы, Аргентинцы

Где еще всем нужно в обязательном порядке уведомлять местные власти о том, где ты живешь? =))

А где нужно вообще?

Во-вторых, а в чем разница, кроме названия? Было: "гражданин должен быть прописан по месту жительства", стало: "гражданин должен иметь регистрацию по месту жительства".

Почитай законы. Они все в открытом доступе

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

Ны вы, Аргентинцы




А где нужно вообще?




Почитай законы. Они все в открытом доступе

Понял все, кроме фразы про Аргентинцев xD Это что такое такое было? =)))

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Понял все, кроме фразы про Аргентинцев xD Это что такое такое было? =)))

Какое конкретно слово из этой фразы тебе не знакомо?

Ну, например, "ны". А потом, сама фраза совершенно неожиданна в том контексте. =))

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Ну, например, "ны". А потом, сама фраза совершенно неожиданна в том контексте. =))

Ну извините за typo. (кнопочки рядом вот и промахнулся)

Неожиданность любых фраз относительна.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

Ну извините за typo. (кнопочки рядом вот и промахнулся)

Неожиданность любых фраз относительна.

Я не настолько люблю докапываться до каждой мелочи чтобы грузить собеседника по поводу typos =))) Но там был особый случай --- really ambiguous meaning (я не понял, имелось ли в виду "ну вы, ..." или "не вы, ..."); однако в любом случае, неожиданность фразы гарантирована =) Теперь, читая про "кнопочки рядом", я понимаю, что имелось в виду "ну", и поэтому могу сразу сказать, я не имею ничего общего с Аргентиной, и даже ни разу там не был. =))

Теперь, читая про "кнопочки рядом", я понимаю, что имелось в виду "ну"

"Не" в вышеозначенном контексте имело бы спорное смысловое значение. Но принимая во внимание уровень владения русской стилистикой я готов допустить, что до кнопочного уточнения сие было для тебя возможным допущением.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

могу сразу сказать, я не имею ничего общего с Аргентиной, и даже ни разу там не был. =))

Сказать ты можешь всё что угодно, с любым временным лагом реагирования. Но эти высказывания не будут иметь большого значения в данном контексте. Ввиду избыточного, с точки зрения этики общения на форуме, вуалирования собственной географической принадлежности, собеседник вправе допустить в этом ключе любое собственное предположение.
Но не стоит отчаиваться. Неожиданно оказаться в любом уголке земли - это ли не фан?!

Никогда не понимал, почему после падения совка вы не избавились от этого позорного института регистрации...

Most countries have some form of registration, it's not unique for Russia, even if that system is perhaps more bureacratic and regulated than average.

Personally I think unique ID numbers that are required for virtually everything you do, is worse than simply registering where you live.

But where do you live, that the state doesn't try to keep track on where citizens are, and where to find them?

Originally Posted by Hanna

Most countries have some form of registration, it's not unique for Russia, even if that system is perhaps more bureacratic and regulated than average.

Personally I think unique ID numbers that are required for virtually everything you do, is worse than simply registering where you live.

But where do you live, that the state doesn't try to keep track on where citizens are, and where to find them?

I think any form of control and keeping track of people is bad, and one being bad is no excuse for the existence of another.

Where do I live? As Alex says, I can show up at any point of this planet anytime, all of a sudden. Listen to him, he's a real wise man!

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I think any form of control and keeping track of people is bad, and one being bad is no excuse for the existence of another.

Where do I live? As Alex says, I can show up at any point of this planet anytime, all of a sudden. Listen to him, he's a real wise man!

I assume you condemn the US spying program at the NSA, CIA psy-ops tactics in forums and social media, as well at the treatment of Julian Assange?
Can you confirm?

As for where you live - the fact that you won't say who you are just undermines the credibility of everything you say, but I am sure you are already aware of that.

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Правду хочешь?
We are awaken, but confused. *Putin in fact is on good terms with oligarchs*, and any person who does not concede with social injustice publicly, is immediately discredited ("сам он ворюга!")

At least, you know that part.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Hanna, your opinion is very accurate, .

Except, it's not accurate.

I would simplify it in English like this: there's a lot of *clans* in Russia and various oligarchs align themselves accordingly and yes, there was some falling out for some but Putin exiled a few for appearances and hey, with competing clans, sometimes one group decides to cut ties or edge you out. There's still a ton of oligarchs in Russia and many have a lot of influence and power. $$$$$?!? Obviously, some are very good at being accomodating and cooperative. Anyway, I don't anticipate too many receptive replies but imho, many of the replies were not too accurate if not very specific.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I assume you condemn the US spying program at the NSA, CIA psy-ops tactics in forums and social media, as well at the treatment of Julian Assange?

I don't really feel like NSA or CIA interfere with my life, or are tracking me, so I have nothing to confirm here. If you want to hear what you want to hear, you probably should address some anti-Americans like you are, not me.

And maybe, if I am ever to steal a bunch of secret documents, I'll answer your question about that guy, though it's a very unlikely scenario. =))

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I think any form of control and keeping track of people is bad

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I don't really feel like NSA or CIA interfere with my life, or are tracking me

Class. That's all I have to say. Oh actually, I have a quote for you:

"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Originally Posted by Hanna

Class. That's all I have to say.

No logic flaw here. I still say that any form of control is bad, AND that I don't recognize the NSA & CIA activities as a form of control for myself. Probably hard to get it, huh? But you might still want to try.

You're both off-topic. But, for the record, it's foolish to think that entities like the NSA & CIA are not going to effect you or won't control you. Also, I read someplace some buffoon state that 'I don't do anything wrong so...' Talking about putting one's head in the sand. This is just a perspective so it's not an attempt to argument but it should be said by somebody?!? Orwell's 1984 is very relevant on this topic. But, this is going off topic of Russian Oligarchs. So, as I digress.... I'll end the aforementioned topic here.

Here is an example. A new London residence bought by somebody most likely brought up in a regular modest flat somewhere in Russia. However, today he needs a palace in Central London, like the Queen! The man is called Andrey Goncharenko.

Russian billionaire Andrey Goncharenko snaps up Britain's most expensive house | Mail Online



(he bought the most expensive house in the UK).

I'm sure he is shrewd, gutsy has a bit of talent, contacts and wherewithal which allowed him to make money. But this is the type of wealth that not even 500 year old landowning aristocracy has. Or people who made groundbreaking revolutionary scientific discoveries. This man is neither.

Imho, this man is NOT worthy of such riches and it's not realistic to assume that he could have made this much money in an honest way. While this house is not even his main residence, pensioners who worked all their lives to build up their nation back in Russia are struggling in sub standard housing without any hope for improvement.

To those Russians who are somehow "proud" of these noveau riche oligarch Russians: Please don't, most of them appear either vulgar, criminal, dangerous or all at the same time. All they have is money.

There are many Russians to admire but these oligarchs are NOT among them, unless you have a very strange worldview (we can see some examples of that above). You notice them in London, particularly in expensive locations. I regard them the same way I regard Saudi and Emirates oil princes.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Here is an example. A new London residence bought by somebody most likely brought up in a regular modest flat somewhere in Russia. However, today he needs a palace in Central London, like the Queen! The man is called Andrey Goncharenko.

Russian billionaire Andrey Goncharenko snaps up Britain's most expensive house | Mail Online



(he bought the most expensive house in the UK).

I'm sure he is shrewd, gutsy has a bit of talent, contacts and wherewithal which allowed him to make money. But this is the type of wealth that not even 500 year old landowning aristocracy has. Or people who made groundbreaking revolutionary scientific discoveries. This man is neither.

Imho, this man is NOT worthy of such riches and it's not realistic to assume that he could have made this much money in an honest way. While this house is not even his main residence, pensioners who worked all their lives to build up their nation back in Russia are struggling in sub standard housing without any hope for improvement.

To those Russians who are somehow "proud" of these noveau riche oligarch Russians: Please don't, most of them appear either vulgar, criminal, dangerous or all at the same time. All they have is money.

There are many Russians to admire but these oligarchs are NOT among them, unless you have a very strange worldview (we can see some examples of that above). You notice them in London, particularly in expensive locations. I regard them the same way I regard Saudi and Emirates oil princes.

I think counting other people's money in a mentor's fashion is even more vulgar than showing off yours.