Thread: Controversial Problems in Russian and Some Other Societies

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Originally Posted by Deborski

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Does it mean that the very same thing happens with gay parades right now?
Like: "I'm not a gay - I don't care about the parades"?

Originally Posted by Doomer

Does it mean that the very same thing happens with gay parades right now?
Like: "I'm not a gay - I don't care about the parades"?

It's one thing to "not care" about the parades, it's another thing to encourage violence against people because they are gay (or black, or Jewish, or Russian, etc, etc etc) I am referring to this: 36 Photos From Russia That Everyone Needs To See

Also, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzcgy5NkeaE
Note that the dudes carrying the whips and attacking, beating, hitting gay protesters are wearing t-shirts which say "by the word of GOD."

Seems very Nazi to me. Just saying. I do not expect anyone on this site to agree with me. But then, I don't care. I am used to having an unpopular opinion. On the other hand, I'm a loyal friend - unlike many in the world today. I would fight to the death to protect my friends, whether they are gay, or Russian, or whatever.

Originally Posted by Deborski

It's one thing to "not care" about the parades, it's another thing to encourage violence against people because they are gay (or black, or Jewish, or Russian, etc, etc etc) I am referring to this: 36 Photos From Russia That Everyone Needs To See

Yes, but you just showed what happened to people who "not care" about nazis, shouldn't people "start to care" as an opposite option?

Originally Posted by Doomer

Yes, but you just showed what happened to people who "not care" about nazis, shouldn't people "start to care" as an opposite option?

If you're afraid that gays will become Nazis... I'm afraid all I can do is laugh!

Originally Posted by Deborski

If you're afraid that gays will become Nazis... I'm afraid all I can do is laugh!

When people cannot find valid arguments to support their believes they start picking on opponents, for example laughing at them
Just saying

Originally Posted by Doomer

When people cannot find valid arguments to support their believes they start picking on opponents, for example laughing at them
Just saying

Doomer, it isn't that I can't find a valid argument, it's that I think your supposition is just laughable. Please don't take it personally. I'm not laughing at you, just at the idea that you think gays are like Nazis! I am picturing Nazis in rainbow SS uniforms now and laughing my butt off! But not laughing at you.

gay_nazis.jpg

Originally Posted by Deborski

If you're afraid that gays will become Nazis... I'm afraid all I can do is laugh!

Ah, really?

Originally Posted by Paul G.

Ah, really?

LOL... Paul, I think this is what some people are afraid of:

Originally Posted by Deborski

Note that the dudes carrying the whips and attacking, beating, hitting gay protesters are wearing t-shirts which say "by the word of GOD."

Seems very Nazi to me. Just saying.

Very high chance that they are
One minority fights another minority

I remember a movie, where Bruce Willis stays on the street in the middle of "black neighborhood" wearing a sign that says - "I hate niggers". If I remember correctly he almost got killed, for wearing the sign(sounds awfully familiar when we talk about parades of any kind), so "if you happen to be a white guy - don't go the US", right, Deb?

Originally Posted by Doomer

Very high chance that they are
One minority fights another minority

I remember a movie, where Bruce Willis stays on the street in the middle of "black neighborhood" wearing a sign that says - "I hate niggers". If I remember correctly he almost got killed, for wearing the sign(sounds awfully familiar when we talk about parades of any kind), so "if you happen to be a white guy - don't go the US", right, Deb?

I'm not saying that it is WISE to hold a gay parade in the middle of a city where the majority of people despise gay people and think they should be executed.
But that doesn't excuse the actions of those who attacked and beat them, does it, Doomer?

By the way, I found this study fascinating and revealing (even though it confirmed something I've known for a long time):

Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn | Psychology Today

Anyway, I have no wish to further derail the Snowden thread into a debate about gay rights. As far as Russia goes, gays have no rights. But it saddens me that people are so easily distracted from the REAL ISSUES, by silly things like trying to control what others can or can't do in bed.

Originally Posted by Deborski

But that doesn't excuse the actions of those who attacked and beat them, does it, Doomer?

I don't think it excuses them, no
But I don't think we should blame one side and not to blame the other, as you were trying at the beginning.

Originally Posted by Doomer

I don't think it excuses them, no
But I don't think we should blame one side and not to blame the other, as you were trying at the beginning.

Doomer, we are never going to agree on this subject, and that is fine with me. But you live in the US now, not Russia, so surely you have had to do some thinking about this subject.