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    ты и тый

    Zdravstvujte,
    If anyone is feeling bored, why not make a recording of the the difference between ы and ый?

    ты - тый
    ны - ный
    etc

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    I won't even try to make a recording of this, considering I'll probably never be able to make the difference noticeable.

    But IMO, ый has just a slight, almost undetectable "х" at the end. Like ыих almost.

    I don't know if I'm right by saying this, but that's what I hear.

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    If I were you I would try to make a recording of this. I have found my mic, so I am able to make a recording now. I will post my recording a little later (say, in about 6 hrs). I think you will hear that there is significant difference between ты and тый
    You could make a recording after hearing mine. What do you think of it?
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    Hey!.......6 hours is up!
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    Hey!.......6 hours is up!
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    Good proverb, mishau! I couldn't post the promised recording because I'm doing exams now! I have hardly any time! Anyway, sorry for the delay. Here is my voice:
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    Sorry for the second post but I don't like number 666.
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    спасибо.

    Yeh I see what you mean Saibot, it sounds like an "x"

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    I cannot hear any х in my recording! I don't know why it seems to saibot that there's an slight, almost undetectable x at the end. Can you hear the difference now that you have listened to my recording?
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    Yeh there is a bigger difference than I thought.

    The "x" sound is more of an english "h", but it's hard to explain. It sort of sounds more drawn out and emphasised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReDSanchous
    Good proverb, mishau! I couldn't post the promised recording because I'm doing exams now! I have hardly any time! Anyway, sorry for the delay. Here is my voice:
    A little bit too much emphasis on ы in смертны and on ый in смертный... I guess you wanted to demonstrate the difference but the words now sound a little unnatural...

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    Maybe, its because it's 1am here now and everyone's asleep except me. I couldnt speak in a louder voice! If u want, I could make another recording! Why dont u make your own recording?
    I'm not complaining... I agree that the recording's probably a bit unnatural but I cant do anything with it at the moment. Sorry!
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    I've given it a go but I've got no idea if i'm doing it right at all.

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    You needn't pronounce х at the end. I can hear this х and, believe me, that doesn't make your recording better!
    Your recording will be much better if you don't pronounce х!
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    This is how I hear this recording:

    ты - тыйх
    ны - ныйх
    смертный - смертныйх

    There should be no х!

    Аlso, I do not hear "смертны", only "смертный" and "смертныйх" (which doesn't exist in Russian - "смертных" does)
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    Lol ok thanks, here's another one without the 'x'. I've added a смертных at the end for comparison.

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    basurero, безударную "ы" лучше произность как "о" или "мосты" или как "e" в слове operation.

    смертнай, смертной, смертный
    смартна, смертно, смертны

    При нормальном темпе речи слова в каждой тройке звучат примерно похоже. Еще раз - только в случае безударного "ы".
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    In a recording, people try to pronounce things "properly", with better articulation than in a regular conversation with other native speakers. So in practice you'll often hear that "j" almost drop out.

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    Sanchous... in your recording... what was the order of the words?

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    ты - тый - ны - ный - смертны - смертный
    Вроде бы так
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