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Marge: I could give piano lessons
Lisa: But you don't know how to play the piano
Marge: I just have to stay one lesson ahead of the kid
For all of you people just itching to judge me jump on the bandwagon and condemn me just because of 3 or 4 mistakes and say I can't tutor WHEN YOU DON"T EVEN KNOW ME (wtf is that about? wth kind of sense is that?) AND, comparing me to the Simpsons tv show!
Don't EVER say that again. I'm just as good as any of you when it comes to helping first year Russian students with grammar. Like I thought. Cocky, arrogant superiority complexes.
If I had known about this I'd have never came here to this site in the first place. All I wanted was to practice my own Russian, and get people to correct my mistakes (with constructive criticism), learn new vocab and grammar, help people who are new to Russian with grammar to get them started, and perhaps make a new internet friend in the process (which I have, in fact two Russians emailed me wanting to become internet friends and practice their English). I didn't agree to nor expected to be harrassed when I offered my services. I do it all the time. No one, I mean no one, has treated me the way you did. I don't believe this. What kind of people are on this site anyway?! Oh my God.
Whooooo, chill. Neither I nor Mike was talking about you specifically, nor was I ripping on your language skills. Since the issue of tutoring was being discussed, I expressed my opinion (as an educator, by the way - I'm a middle school teacher) that one cannot properly teach a subject unless one has mastered it. What's the problem here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
Incidentally, throwing a fit whenever someone points out your mistakes is not the way to raise your own ability level. Take the help, ignore the barbs, and act like a reasonable adult.
No, you're not, based on what you've said and how you've acted in this thread. In many universities, first year students do progress into fairly extensive work with the cases and with irregular verbs. We certainly did so at mine. Explanations such as this:Quote:
I'm just as good as any of you when it comes to helping first year Russian students with grammar.
and this:Quote:
You used the instrumental case here because these aren't proper nouns (with capital letters). Like when you say "he was Vladimir" you wouldn't use the instrumental case. I mean you can, but it not really used. You use the instrumental case to say something like "he was a wonderful scuba diver" but scuba diver is not a proper noun. So it goes like you wrote. водолазом.
simply aren't going to cut it. Saying that you're as skilled as say, Friendy, at helping first-years is simply ridiculous.Quote:
In addition, you brought up the fact that I wasn't sure at first how to say спасибо за помочь. That is completely irrelevant! First of all, who'd teach смочь, мочь, or помочь to first year Russian students? It is simply too advanced. At my university that is simply not done. It wasn't introduced until second year Russian at my university. Give me a break!
Back on the original topic: BJ Hendy, I'd like to suggest Schaum's Outline of Russian Grammar. It's not the world's best book at actual instruction, due to its rather low interest level and lack of situational application, but it's an excellent and concise reference for when, where, and how you use the cases and verb forms. I use it quite a lot to check my work, and it's the only reference I've seen that explained verbs of motion in a way that wasn't befuddling. If you combine the book with actual human interaction, it should be of great value to you.
Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... R&st=books
Whooooo, chill. Neither I nor Mike was talking about you specifically, nor was I ripping on your language skills. Since the issue of tutoring was being discussed, I expressed my opinion (as an educator, by the way - I'm a middle school teacher) that one cannot properly teach a subject unless one has mastered it. What's the problem here?
SY: I know that. My mother's going to be a teacher and that's what I keep telling here- that you cannot teach someone something until you know it fairly well yourself. But with Russian I teach that which I have mastered myself. I do not attempt to teach something that I still have trouble with or that which I have forgotten how to do. I know you cannot or should not mislead people. I am very careful. It is important to me that I do not mislead somebody.
Incidentally, throwing a fit whenever someone points out your mistakes is not the way to raise your own ability level. Take the help, ignore the barbs, and act like a reasonable adult.
SY: It seems to me that I act like more of an adult than some of the others here. When I attempted to say"thanks for the help" in Russian and screwed it up, someone corrected me. My response? "Oh, ok....thanks" and corrected myself. I wasn't the one who called someone names and made personal attacks. Unlike some people ("Pravit you're a jack@ss") and some other comments which I would never make. I did not say "Dogboy you're a whatever". It's true that I asked him if he had some kind of a superiority complex, but that isn't the same as saying "you're a....." and saying some kind of a harsh name. I don't believe in that and it is wrong. I was simply getting angry because I made a few little mistakes and people jumped to conclusions without me really even showing what I could do because I just haven't been here very long. THAT's what I didn't like. I can take criticism better than most people. I like people correcting my mistakes. That's what will help me to learn more.
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I'm just as good as any of you when it comes to helping first year Russian students with grammar.
No, you're not, based on what you've said and how you've acted in this thread. In many universities, first year students do progress into fairly extensive work with the cases and with irregular verbs. We certainly did so at mine. Explanations such as this:
SY: They do at mine too, but hth can you really teach the irregular stuff if you've got some students having trouble with the regular stuff?
"based on what you've said and how you've acted in this thread"
SY: And you really haven't got much of anything at all to base that opinion of yours on, let me remind you.
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You used the instrumental case here because these aren't proper nouns (with capital letters). Like when you say "he was Vladimir" you wouldn't use the instrumental case. I mean you can, but it not really used. You use the instrumental case to say something like "he was a wonderful scuba diver" but scuba diver is not a proper noun. So it goes like you wrote. водолазом.
SY: What's wrong with that? It's not a complete detailed explanation of all the times you need the instrumental case, but what I said here is right.
and this:
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In addition, you brought up the fact that I wasn't sure at first how to say спасибо за помочь. That is completely irrelevant! First of all, who'd teach смочь, мочь, or помочь to first year Russian students? It is simply too advanced. At my university that is simply not done. It wasn't introduced until second year Russian at my university. Give me a break!
SY: Well it wasn't. Like I said, I wouldn't introduce " смочь, мочь, or помочь" to first years if they haven't mastered "to know" and "to talk" well not only those verbs but those kinds of endings you can put on the verbs. I would teach "to be" though (because that is completely regular conjugation in past and future).
simply aren't going to cut it. Saying that you're as skilled as say, Friendy, at helping first-years is simply ridiculous.
SY: Friendy is a native Russian speaker. I wasn't talking about native Russian speakers. I didn't mean him/her. I know that saying that I am as good as Friendy would be ridiculous. Of course I'm not as good as a native Russian speaker. But, I don't think you have to be as good as a native Russian speaker to tutor first years. My Russian professor has his doctorate in Russian and he still makes mistakes in Russian grammar and everyone does. I don't see why I am getting all of this grief because I make mistakes, as if you don't make mistakes at all. If I found a mistake someone made here on this website I wouldn't throw a fit and say "Oh no! You can't teach!" Even if they offered themselves as a tutor I wouldn't say that, simply because I am aware that mistakes are part of life and everyone does it. It doesn't mean you are not qualified as I said. _________________
I was responding to Lindzi's message. I didn't even read your post, Captain Insane-o. Jesus Christ, you need to calm down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
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Originally Posted by Friendy
Not sure if there is any longer story w/o verbs in russian like this one but there are a few meaningful stories with all words starting with the same letter, e.g. :
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Пётр Петрович Петухов, поручик пятьдесят пятого Подольского Пехотного полка получил по почте письмо, полное приятных пожеланий. «Приезжайте», писала прелестная Полина Павловна Перепелкина. «Поговорим, помечтаем, потанцуем, погуляем. Приезжайте Пётр Петрович поскорей». Петухову приглашение понравилось. Поезд прибыл после полудня. Принял Петра Петровича почтеннейший папаша Полины Павловны, Павел Пантелеймонович. «Пожалуйста, Пётр Петрович, присаживайтесь поудобнее», проговорил папаша. Подошёл плешивенький племянник, поздоровался: « Порфирий Платонович Поликарпов». «Просим, просим».
Появилась прелестная Полина. Полные плечи покрывал прозрачный персидский платок. Поговорили, пошутили, пригласила пообедать. Подали пельмени, плов, пикули, печёнку, паштет, пирожки, пирожное, пол-литра померанцевой. Плотно пообедали. Пётр Петрович почувствовал приятное пресыщение. После приёма пищи, после плотного перекуса, Полина Павловна пригласила Петра Петровича прогуляться по парку. Перед парком простирался полноводный пруд. Прокатились под парусами; после плаванья по пруду, пошли погулять по парку.
«Присядем», предложила Полина Павловна. Присели. Полина Павловна придвинулась поближе. Посидели, помолчали, прозвучал первый поцелуй...
«Поженим, поженим!» прошептал плешивый племянник. « Право, поженим», пробасил подошедший папаша. Пётр Петрович побледнел, пошатнулся, потом побежал прочь. Побежав, подумал: « Полина Павловна — прекрасная партия». Перед Петром Петровичем промелькнула перспектива получить прекрасное поместье. Поспешил послать предложение. Предложение Полина Павловна приняла. Поженились. Приятели приходили поздравлять, приносили подарки. Передавая пакеты, приговаривали: « Прелестная пара».
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Светлана Ежова
Can I ask you a favor? Could you learn how to use QUOTE button(tag)? It's sort of hard to read your posts.
Most the people here don't know each over, we just see what the other people write and how they behave. If you think people treat you the way you think unworthy, you should think of the reason and the reason in most cases isn't in other people.Quote:
and say I can't tutor WHEN YOU DON"T EVEN KNOW ME
I don't know, Alexei. I never mean to anybody. I mean I don't come onto a message board and start being mean. I always use proper "netiquette" and be respectful of others. I don't know what it is. Maybe I'm being flamed....
In that case then I did do something wrong and bad. I was an idiot and paid attention to it. But I was never flamed before. I have been using the net for years and never was flamed once. I am an unlikely target for a flamer because I'm not the kind of person anyone would want to start a flame war with anyway. Ask anyone if I was mean on this board. They would have to say no. If I was like that I'd be banned.
Svetlana. How can you say "Don't judge me, you don't even know me".
I don't even have to know you. I wasn't judging your personality, or work ethic, or fashion sense. I was judging your russian. I've seen enough to know i wouldn't send my 5 yr old off to one of your russian classes.
2nd. I don't remember what i was going to say, but if i was a teacher, 1st year would cover...
All verb conjugations
Verb aspects
Cases.
Seriosuly, i've been in highschool german long enough to know that skipping around gets people no where.
If you just people how to conjugate знать type verbs ( :lol: memories) and then teach them prepositional case, then teach them imperfective, then teach them 2nd declionstions, then teach them perfective...
Ahhh. People just get lost.
wtf is so hard about мочь ? Maybe i wouldn't teach a word like Стричь to first year students... But what, the чь ending is so scary ? So you expect 1st year students to go a whole year without being able to say "i can, can not"
Just suck it up and learn what you have to learn.
And no, Linsday would not make a mistake as basic as "за поможите меня" Nor would anyone who has studied for FIVE years.
I dont think any russian who has studied english for five years would say
"Today I am the sad. I had a bad help from the girlfriend mine. She say im not so romance as she likes"
Basic basic basic mistakes.
ITS NOT A HUMOR !
I don't even have to know you. I wasn't judging your personality, or work ethic, or fashion sense. I was judging your russian. I've seen enough to know i wouldn't send my 5 yr old off to one of your russian classes.
SY: No you haven't. I did not really write much in Russian at all to be honest with you people. Look at my posts. I haven't really shown what I know.
I've told you also why my Russian has gotten a bit rusty after studying for five years-I am finished my major and am doing things that have nothing to do with Russian language now, I am very busy. I just don't have the time anymore like I used to. I am trying to revive it all and get it back this semester. But I have studied it flor five years. It's your choice to believe me or not. I'm just telling it like it is. Also, my spelling. Sometimes I spell words wrong and put wrong cases in. That don't mean I don't know grammar. My hands slip on computer keys because I have fine motor and gross motor problems. I was also born with an underdeveloped cerebellum. This still affects my ability to type. I suspect you say some of my Russian spelling and grammar errors and concluded that I didn't know it when actually I do, it's just that my fingers slip on the keyboard alot when I am typing.
You would cover all verb conjugations and whatnot. well that's up to you what you would do if you taught Russian. I don't know about you, but I never learned all of them in my first year. (for example I never learned the conjugation for "yest" to eat- in the first year. And in my university they never taught people how to tell time in Russian until third year. I learned it in third year but that is one of the things I have forgotten how to do now) Maybe your university and professor was different? Tell me, when you did Russian what did you learn in the first year dogboy? The second? Third? Fourth?
Going berzerk when people suggest that you may not be qualified to teach grammar because you make frequent grammar mistakes is not, in fact, proper netiquette. It's not proper anything. Unless you're British, in which case you could say that it's proper overreacting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
(Did I use the British slang correctly? :D )
ETA: OMFG, PLEASE learn to use the quote function.
DUDE. I'm not saying that you suck. But if this is the case, you SHOULD NOT BE TUTORING. If your skills are rusty and you're in the process of trying to revive them, how do you expect to explain things to a n00b?Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
Dog taught himself. He's teh_russkie_hotness. And I don't know where you went to school, but frankly: that's FUBAR. It's no wonder you're "rusty." What the heck did you DO for the first several years? By the end of my first year, I'd learned all the basic conjugation patterns, most of the common irregular verbs, and the basic rules of all of the cases.Quote:
You would cover all verb conjugations and whatnot. well that's up to you what you would do if you taught Russian. I don't know about you, but I never learned all of them in my first year. (for example I never learned the conjugation for "yest" to eat- in the first year. And in my university they never taught people how to tell time in Russian until third year. I learned it in third year but that is one of the things I have forgotten how to do now) Maybe your university and professor was different? Tell me, when you did Russian what did you learn in the first year dogboy? The second? Third? Fourth?
All cases is too hard for most students.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Most idiot students. It's an ENTIRE SCHOOLYEAR. You could do, like, one case a month and cover them all with time to spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackMage
Hehe. SorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
Anyways.
1) I'm still in highschool, so i have never even met a real life professor.
2) Thus, since i have never taken any russian classes, i tought myself.
3) I think i just reached my 2 year mark like, today, or soon.(Dogboy regsitered 2002 november) so, this is my second year learning.
In two years. The only major aspect of grammar i have not learnt is participles. And, it's not that i have no clue about them, i just havn't mastered them. But i know about things like Читать -ющий, сказать - зав
просить - стывшись etc.
I understand in college, you have more than one class, so you can't just donate all your time to learning russian, but, I have by no means studied russian EVERY SINGLE day for two years. I dont think i learnd a singe new thing all summer. But, now that i am in school again, and practically just speak russian all day, i get better and better.
Also, I learned how to pretty much conjugate within a month or so. Even russian in 10 minutes a day goes over 1st and 2nd conjugations, and give you some freebies on harder verbs.
But, ok. I'm ready to forgive you now for making spelling mistakes, sorry for disturb, have a day.
Значит не хватает чего-то ещё.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BlackMage
I thought this too before we started learning cases in german class. My german teacher knows kidz are dumb, and i figured i'd have to help half the class figure out what the subject was and blah blah, but, now i am in 3rd year german, and i have seen 2 classes understand (german) cases and catch on pretty quick. It's not that big of a deal, though yesterday it was like...
Teacher - Mit meiner muter. What changes with Miene?
Kid - Mit?
T- No, look at it again mit meinER muter
K- Muter?
T- No, look at MEIN
K- what?
I'm like OMFG Is it REALLY that hard ?
But in general, it's not that hard. It helps to use examples in english too. Even if words dont change, u still get a better idea of "indirect object", "possesor", "predicate", and all the other stuff they don't teach you in 4th grade.
DUDE. I'm not saying that you suck. But if this is the case, you SHOULD NOT BE TUTORING. If your skills are rusty and you're in the process of trying to revive them, how do you expect to explain things to a n00b?
SY: Easy: I did not forget all of it. And helping someone else helps me to remember it and keep it in top shape for my mind.
Dog taught himself. He's teh_russkie_hotness. And I don't know where you went to school, but frankly: that's FUBAR. It's no wonder you're "rusty." What the heck did you DO for the first several years? By the end of my first year, I'd learned all the basic conjugation patterns, most of the common irregular verbs, and the basic rules of all of the cases.
SY: Cool! Yes, I am impressed with dogboy..."he's Russkie hotness." He's hot, or his Russian is hot?
That's great he learned by himself. So did I. For six months prior to me starting university, I also taught myself Russian. I knew different verb conjugations, two cases, some verbs of motion, numbers....I frightened my Russian prof half out of his wits! He looked at me in suprise then blurted out "She knows too much for the beginner's Russian course! It's frightening!"
I am guessing that you people went pretty darn quickly with learning the grammar. Our professors went slow. I guess they wanted to make sure everyone understood the concepts before beginning something new.
By the way, Dog taught himself. What about you Lindsey (nice name by the way- sorry I never said that before- it's my cousin's name)? How did you learn? You teach yourself too? You say your a teacher. Do you teach Russian? That's what I want to do. Be a prof myself and teach Russianhistory and language.
Right now what I'd like to do here is practice speaking to you all in Russian-I mean writing to you in Russian, I mean typing-oh hell! You know what I mean. Would you type back to me in Russian and help me learn more? I write down new words in your posts to me, I memorize them. It will help me learn new words. I think BTW that I do not have opportunity to practice Russian enough which might also help to explain why I not as far along as you two are. Kirill is always busy and I don't really have anyone else. Will you help me? Then we can all get to know each other better. I'd be interested in getting to know you all better. Then we can all be friends.
However, if a newbie comes on and asks a question which I can answer I will answer it. Unless someone beats me to it (they probably will; this place is crawling all the time, ha ha).
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I don't want to sit on a high horse here, but you shouldn't teach in order to brush up your own skills. There are ways of brushing up your own skills without causing problems for impressionable n00bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
Heh. I'll let Sobakitchka take this one.Quote:
Cool! Yes, I am impressed with dogboy..."he's Russkie hotness." He's hot, or his Russian is hot?
Well, there's the problem. Students perform to the level expected of them. Period. Assume that students are brilliant, and they're a lot more likely to live up to it. Professors should push students, not wait for stragglers. That's study sessions are for.Quote:
That's great he learned by himself. So did I. For six months prior to me starting university, I also taught myself Russian. I knew different verb conjugations, two cases, some verbs of motion, numbers....I frightened my Russian prof half out of his wits! He looked at me in suprise then blurted out "She knows too much for the beginner's Russian course! It's frightening!"
I am guessing that you people went pretty darn quickly with learning the grammar. Our professors went slow. I guess they wanted to make sure everyone understood the concepts before beginning something new.
I teach remedial reading, which sounds like a drag, but it actually splendid. I started learning Russian three years ago, at UW-Madison, which is the institution whence my degree came. My progress was aided by a summer at Middlebury Language School and five months doing an internship in St. Petersburg. I'm not the guru Dog makes me out to be, but I am functional as a Russian speaker.Quote:
By the way, Dog taught himself. What about you Lindsey (nice name by the way- sorry I never said that before- it's my cousin's name)? How did you learn? You teach yourself too? You say your a teacher. Do you teach Russian? That's what I want to do. Be a prof myself and teach Russianhistory and language.
Unfortunately, my computer doesn't have Cyrillic support, and I refuse to translit, as it rots the brain. Perhaps sometime I'll get the software to type in Russian (and then learn to type in Russian...ugh), but not at the moment. However, I'm sure others will be happy to communicate with you. You should begin frequenting the Russian Language Only subforum.Quote:
Right now what I'd like to do here is practice speaking to you all in Russian-I mean writing to you in Russian, I mean typing-oh hell! You know what I mean. Would you type back to me in Russian and help me learn more? I write down new words in your posts to me, I memorize them. It will help me learn new words. I think BTW that I do not have opportunity to practice Russian enough which might also help to explain why I not as far along as you two are. Kirill is always busy and I don't really have anyone else. Will you help me? Then we can all get to know each other better. I'd be interested in getting to know you all better. Then we can all be friends.
What does SY mean? Friendy is a her.
That's great. I knew "четыре чёрненьких чумазеньких чертёнка чертили чёрными чернилами чертёж чрезвычайно чисто" from the childhood and also have been told that there are similar things with other letters but I haven't read them. I wonder, is there something like that in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by DenisM
What does SY mean? Friendy is a her.
Just how I transliterate "Svetlana Yezhova"
I just say "SY"
Friendy is a her? oops. For some reason I thought she was a guy.
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Светлана Ежова wrote:
SY: Easy: I did not forget all of it. And helping someone else helps me to remember it and keep it in top shape for my mind.
I don't want to sit on a high horse here, but you shouldn't teach in order to brush up your own skills. There are ways of brushing up your own skills without causing problems for impressionable n00bs.
SY: What is a "high horse?" Causing problems for newbies...oh no...I never do that. I wouldn't want to do that. Actually I prefer to call them rookies or something. "Newbie" sounds a bit crude to me and a bit condescending. I was a new Russian student once also.
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Cool! Yes, I am impressed with dogboy..."he's Russkie hotness." He's hot, or his Russian is hot?
Heh. I'll let Sobakitchka take this one.
SY: Who is that? "heh" Is that suppoised to be a chuckle?
Well, there's the problem. Students perform to the level expected of them. Period. Assume that students are brilliant, and they're a lot more likely to live up to it. Professors should push students, not wait for stragglers. That's study sessions are for.
SY: Well you are right about that. If you treat someone as if they're an intelligent thinking individual, they will know who they are and will livbe up to it. I know exactly what you mean from personal experience. Well to be honest I always wanted to go faster with Russian than the prof's teaching pace. I thought he was too slow (for me anyway). I love Russian language, and I always learned quickly. So, because I wanted to help people, and because I'm nice peron, and because I would keep from becoming bord because I already knew what the prof was teaching at the time, I began tutoring. I helped my fellow classmates who were having some difficulty with the Russian. I am good at tutoring, and so I just kept doing it. I love it! and I always want to learn more about tutoring and Russian so I can become bilingual myself and tutor higher Russian levels as well.. I did go to study sessions though when I was going through the levels. Those are cool.
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By the way, Dog taught himself. What about you Lindsey (nice name by the way- sorry I never said that before- it's my cousin's name)? How did you learn? You teach yourself too? You say your a teacher. Do you teach Russian? That's what I want to do. Be a prof myself and teach Russianhistory and language.
I teach remedial reading, which sounds like a drag, but it actually splendid. I started learning Russian three years ago, at UW-Madison, which is the institution whence my degree came. My progress was aided by a summer at Middlebury Language School and five months doing an internship in St. Petersburg. I'm not the guru Dog makes me out to be, but I am functional as a Russian speaker.
SY: cool. What is remedial reading? Well that could also be why you are farther along than me after only 3 years. with Russian I mean. You immersed yourself in it by going to Russia. I never had that opportunity. I mean, students could go, but I never had the money. I am able to start and hold conversations in Russian though. I actually can say a lot in Russian but I never really got the chance to show you. Yeah, Dog makes you out to be really cool, I read some of his posts. Maybe you are really cool, I don't know you enough. (Well perhaps it would be more correct to say I don't know you at all?) Where are you from anyway Lindsey? Where is UV Madison? Is it a university?
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Right now what I'd like to do here is practice speaking to you all in Russian-I mean writing to you in Russian, I mean typing-oh hell! You know what I mean. Would you type back to me in Russian and help me learn more? I write down new words in your posts to me, I memorize them. It will help me learn new words. I think BTW that I do not have opportunity to practice Russian enough which might also help to explain why I not as far along as you two are. Kirill is always busy and I don't really have anyone else. Will you help me? Then we can all get to know each other better. I'd be interested in getting to know you all better. Then we can all be friends.
Unfortunately, my computer doesn't have Cyrillic support, and I refuse to translit, as it rots the brain.
SY: I hate translit as well- I think it looks stupid.
Perhaps sometime I'll get the software to type in Russian (and then learn to type in Russian...ugh), but not at the moment.
SY: If you can't, then how were you able to put your name in Russian so you could sign up here on this message board? just curious.
However, I'm sure others will be happy to communicate with you. You should begin frequenting the Russian Language Only subforum.
SY: I think I will. That's a good idea. I can write down and memorize lots of words there.
By the way, what are vimes and they walk gloomily do they?
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Vimes stalked gloomily through the crowded streets, feeling like the only pickled onion in a
It seems that you don't care that you confuse other people with the way you quote? And after all you say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
DuhQuote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
Alexei, do you mean that you have trouble distinguishing my words from someone else's? I do care, but I didn't really understand what you mean....
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Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
When I frist talked to friendy i made this mistake too. I thought, for some reason that her avatar was maybe a picture of his wife, or a russian singer or somebody. I just thought she'd be a guy so called her "Him" once :( .
Sorry friendy!!!! I still feel bad =). I'm usually good with guessing genders... Exept one time i thought that evgenya was a guy too ! =(.
Sorry to all my ladies ! You know i love you =).
:lol: lol
Sounds like someone's got a confidence problem/fear of public failure :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Линдзи
Mike, bust out some russian. Или лучше играть в нинтендо ?
Come on guys, don’t you have eyes or what? :) It's obvious that Friendy is a lady from a photo next to her posts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
according to my Очки, yes obviously she's a woman. As i said, for some reason i assumed that it was a guy, and that the guy had put a picture of his girlfriend and or wife there. Don't ask me why, it was just a subcontious assumtion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Oh Mike, you figured me out :( O, THE WOULD THAT THIS TOO TOO SOLID FLESH WOULD MELT!Quote:
Originally Posted by mike
Let me just make a pathetic, shameless attempt to rehijack this hijack of a hijacked thread ->
Would one kind Russian read my previous post which is about 4th or 5th down on page 3 and answer that question I had to JJ? Do you study it at school?
Maybe it's difficult to remember but anyway :)
And "rookie" doesn't sound demeaning? Pshaw. Let's call a spade a spade. If someone's a n00b, they're a n00b. They can study for a while and get past their n00bness. And as for "high horse" - it's a fairly common English colloquialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова
Dogboy = Dog = Sobaka = Sobakitchka. And yeeeeeees, "heh" is a chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Svetlana of the Family Hedgehog
So why do you think it's a good idea to drag your feet with students, then? You were bored. You learned less than you could have more slowly than you could have. Taking things slowly is stupid. ESPECIALLY on a college level, where supposedly people already have some academic strength. No taking things slow. Vroooooom. Full speed ahead! Ramming speed!Quote:
Originally Posted by I, being quoted without quote tags by Svetlana,
It's exactly what name says. My job is to bring kids up to their proper reading level. I work in a school district that isn't doing so hot academically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Um, \"SY\" and I
I'm not exactly affluent. It's possible to seek out grants. The good ol' DoD paid a big chunk of my study abroad. One of the benefits of being part of America's police state, I suppose :wink: But in any case, my Russian didn't get that much better during study abroad, which is a fairly common phenomenon, I believe. My accent improved, as did my everyday vocabulary (and my slang), but I didn't learn a whit of grammar. I'd estimate that I learned 95% of my Russian right in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Eh, Dog's surpassed me in a lot of areas. Goes to show what having a decent work ethic can do for you. But I helped him out back when he was a n00b and he knows that if he doesn't respect the Godmother he'll wake up with a decapitated horse head in his bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Yeah, that's what the U stands for. It's the University of Wisconsin, one of the larger US universities. Some of UW's departments are quote fine, while others, in a word, bite. The Slavic Languages Department there is respectable. I'm from Wisconsin; I now live in Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
My home computer (which was connected to the 'net back when I was in college, but is not now) has Cyrillic support. Now my only 'net connected comp is at school, and I can't activate the language support on it because of admin restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Eh. Even if I could activate it, I probaby wouldn't, because I'm lazy and I hate typing in Russian.
Ai ai ai ai. May I recommend the book Jingo by Terry Pratchett?Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
[quote=Линдзи]I'm not exactly affluent. It's possible to seek out grants. The good ol' DoD paid a big chunk of my study abroad. One of the benefits of being part of America's police state, I suppose :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Светлана Ежова":3lnk6pqf] What is a "high horse?" Causing problems for newbies...oh no...I never do that. I wouldn't want to do that. Actually I prefer to call them rookies or something. "Newbie" sounds a bit crude to me and a bit condescending. I was a new Russian student once also.[/quote]
And "rookie" doesn't sound demeaning? Pshaw. Let's call a spade a spade. If someone's a n00b, they're a n00b. They can study for a while and get past their n00bness. And as for "high horse" - [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=high%20horse]it's a fairly common English colloquialism.[/url]
Svetlana: Well I am not at all familiar with English (England?) jargon. Fill me in?
Ah well. You say TOMAYYYYYYYTO, and I'll say TOMOOOOOOOOto.
You say POTAAAAAYYYTO, I'll say POTOOOOOOOTO.
You say newbie and I say rookie or beginner or smth like that.
[quote=Svetlana of the Family Hedgehog]Quote:
Cool! Yes, I am impressed with dogboy..."he's Russkie hotness." He's hot, or his Russian is hot?
Heh. I'll let Sobakitchka take this one.
SY: Who is that? "heh" Is that suppoised to be a chuckle?[/quote]
Dogboy = Dog = Sobaka = Sobakitchka. And yeeeeeees, "heh" is a chuckle.
"From the HEDGEHOG: Hee. I guess I am a hedgehog huh? Seeing as how I use that name. Sabaka- Yes. Dog. By the way, I had one of those. A collie named after the Romanov princess Anastasia.
[quote=I, being quoted without quote tags by Svetlana,]
Well, there's the problem. Students perform to the level expected of them. Period. Assume that students are brilliant, and they're a lot more likely to live up to it. Professors should push students, not wait for stragglers. That's study sessions are for.
SY: Well you are right about that. If you treat someone as if they're an intelligent thinking individual, they will know who they are and will livbe up to it. I know exactly what you mean from personal experience. Well to be honest I always wanted to go faster with Russian than the prof's teaching pace. I thought he was too slow (for me anyway). I love Russian language, and I always learned quickly. So, because I wanted to help people, and because I'm nice peron, and because I would keep from becoming bord because I already knew what the prof was teaching at the time, I began tutoring. I helped my fellow classmates who were having some difficulty with the Russian. I am good at tutoring, and so I just kept doing it. I love it! and I always want to learn more about tutoring and Russian so I can become bilingual myself and tutor higher Russian levels as well.. I did go to study sessions though when I was going through the levels. Those are cool.[/quote]
So why do you think it's a good idea to drag your feet with students, then? You were [i]bored[/i]. You learned less than you could have more slowly than you could have. Taking things slowly is [b]stupid[/b]. ESPECIALLY on a college level, where supposedly people already have some academic strength. No taking things slow. Vroooooom. Full speed ahead! Ramming speed!
THE HEDGEHOG Yezhova: Sometimes I believe in taking things slow, sometimes not. Like everything I guess. You cannot go fast with everybody.
[quote=Um, \"SY\" and I]
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I teach remedial reading, which sounds like a drag, but it actually splendid. I started learning Russian three years ago, at UW-Madison, which is the institution whence my degree came. My progress was aided by a summer at Middlebury Language School and five months doing an internship in St. Petersburg. I'm not the guru Dog makes me out to be, but I am functional as a Russian speaker.
SY: cool. What is remedial reading?[/quote]
It's exactly what name says. My job is to bring kids up to their proper reading level. I work in a school district that isn't doing so hot academically.
Svetlana: And do you go slowly with these people? Or at least with some of them?
[quote=\"Svetlana\
Svetlana: hee....I don't like the US gov either
But in any case, my Russian didn't get that much better during study abroad, which is a fairly common phenomenon, I believe. My accent improved, as did my everyday vocabulary (and my slang), but I didn't learn a whit of grammar. I'd estimate that I learned 95% of my Russian right in the US.
Eh, Dog's surpassed me in a lot of areas. Goes to show what having a decent work ethic can do for you. But I helped him out back when he was a n00b and he knows that if he doesn't respect the Godmother he'll wake up with a decapitated horse head in his bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Svetlana : Double hee. Hear that, Dog?
Yeah, that's what the U stands for. It's the University of Wisconsin, one of the larger US universities. Some of UW's departments are quote fine, while others, in a word, bite. The Slavic Languages Department there is respectable. I'm from Wisconsin; I now live in Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Svetlana: Cool. Are their many cowboys/cowgirls down there or have I just seen too many Western made for tv (hee) movies?
My home computer (which was connected to the 'net back when I was in college, but is not now) has Cyrillic support. Now my only 'net connected comp is at school, and I can't activate the language support on it because of admin restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Eh. Even if I could activate it, I probaby wouldn't, because I'm lazy and I hate typing in Russian.
Svetlana: I am lazy too sometimes. But I'm game to learn to type in Russian. I think I must if I want to become bilingual. It would help me a lot. Much faster than using snail mail and writing to my Russian penpals.
Ai ai ai ai. May I recommend the book Jingo by Terry Pratchett?[/quote:3lnk6pqf]Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
Svetlana: I have never heard of this writer.
LMAO. Is she kidding? I'm so confused. And so glad she's not teaching me Russian. I'd choke myself before I got through the alphabet. Wow.
WTF I AM CONFUSED!
Unnngh. I'm going to try to reply even though you messed the quotes all up.
[quote=Светлана Ежова]Yes, you can. And you should. Better to go too fast and have to go back and review than to noodle around until the Apocalypse. People are generally intellectually lazy and need to be pressured to perform. Obviously you must take the time necessary to teach a topic, but it should be the absolute minimum time necessary. And a class should not be taught to its slowest student.Quote:
Originally Posted by Линдзи":32amzcxc][quote="Светлана Ежова":32amzcxc] What is a "high horse?" Causing problems for newbies...oh no...I never do that. I wouldn't want to do that. Actually I prefer to call them rookies or something. "Newbie" sounds a bit crude to me and a bit condescending. I was a new Russian student once also.[/quote]
And "rookie" doesn't sound demeaning? Pshaw. Let's call a spade a spade. If someone's a n00b, they're a n00b. They can study for a while and get past their n00bness. And as for "high horse" - [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=high%20horse]it's a fairly common English colloquialism.[/url][/quote:32amzcxc]
[quote]Svetlana: Well I am not at all familiar with English (England?) jargon. Fill me in?[/quote][/quote:32amzcxc]
There's a link in my post above which should clarify meaning for you; also, I believe it is a New World colloquialism and not a British one. Or if it is a British one, it's widely used on this side of the pond.
[quote=\"Svetlana\
No. Quite the opposite. They need to catch up, and they need to catch up now. Reading is an essential life skill. Many of them need to advance several years in less than a year's time. I work them hard, and they'll appreciate it in a few years. I don't care if they like it at the moment. Most of the reason many of them are so far behind is low expectations from their previous instructors. Everyone is capable - including my special ed kids, which make up a small percentage of the class - but they need to be TREATED like they're capable if they're to achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by \"Svetlana\"
I have not met a single cowboy here. I knew more of them back in Wisconsin. Then again, I live in South Texas.Quote:
Svetlana: Cool. Are their many cowboys/cowgirls down there [in Texas] or have I just seen too many Western made for tv (hee) movies?
Then it's time to go to the library, kiddo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Svetlana
It's just looks like another way to teach russian for russians, than to foriener learners. :) I don't remember our teachers explained to us such things like using the cases to make emphasis on a noun. It was about only 1-2 lessons about cases like "The nominative case aswers the question "Who? What?", the genitive case - "whom? what for?", do you understant children?"....But it was a 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing