Thread: Я тоже

Все время мучаюсь, как сказать по-английски "Я тоже." Хочется сказать "Me too", но что-то мне подсказывает, что правильно "I too", но "I too" для меня как-то плохо звучит, и я не могу вспомнить, чтобы я такое слышала...

Оля, ты права. все говорят "me too", но граматично это не правильно, должно быть "I too". Но все так говорят, до того степени, что "I too" звучит не естественно да здравствуй английский язык!

Короче: говори "me too"

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Оля, ты права. все говорят "me too", но граматически это неправильно, должно быть "I too". Но все так говорят, до такой степени, что "I too" звучит неестественно да здравствует английский язык!

Короче: говори "me too"

Спасибо большое, kalinka_vinnie!

нет, это тебе спасибо большое, Оля!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Оля, ты права. все говорят "me too", но граматично это не правильно, должно быть "I too". Но все так говорят, до того степени, что "I too" звучит не естественно да здравствуй английский язык!

Короче: говори "me too"

We often say, "me also".
"Me too" = "me also".

Both sound natural, and both are used in everyday English.

Do not use "I too".

Originally Posted by Dobry

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Оля, ты права. все говорят "me too", но граматично это не правильно, должно быть "I too". Но все так говорят, до того степени, что "I too" звучит не естественно да здравствуй английский язык!

Короче: говори "me too"

We often say, "me also".
"Me too" = "me also".

Both sound natural, and both are used in everyday English.

Do not use "I too".

Well, "I too" is the grammatical correct term to use. Right?

[quote=kalinka_vinnie]

Originally Posted by Dobry

Originally Posted by "kalinka_vinnie":2qy396vn

Оля, ты права. все говорят "me too", но граматично это не правильно, должно быть "I too". Но все так говорят, до того степени, что "I too" звучит не естественно да здравствуй английский язык!

Короче: говори "me too"

We often say, "me also".
"Me too" = "me also".

Both sound natural, and both are used in everyday English.

Do not use "I too".

Well, "I too" is the grammatical correct term to use. Right?[/quote:2qy396vn]

Yes, you are right. Grammatically correct.

But it's not natural, not colloquial. Too formal. "Me too" and "Me also" are much more common, less formal, and are everyday English... for conversational English.

"Я тоже", in my opinion would be translated as "me too", or "me also", by a simultaneous interpreter (at the U.N. for example).

You can always say "So am/was/will/do I" (But in most cases, I'd say "me too" :P )

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Короче: говори "me too"

А еще лучше вместо I и me, говорить ours.
Ours smell fresh blood.

"Me too" it is. If it is a short reply: Me too (period). But in a sentence, "I too" will sound better:
The Tom Kyte Blog: I too am excited... I too am excited... About batteries. Just like this guy is. Someone pointed out this nifty USB chargeable battery earlier and I just saw it again. ...
tkyte.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-too-am-excited.html

I too have a story: UNESCO-CI Story contributed by Karma Tshering, Nepal CMC coordinator. I too have a story. Digital editing at Tansen CMC © UNESCO Office New Delhi ...
portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=22266&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Originally Posted by charlestonian

The Tom Kyte Blog: I too am excited... I too am excited... About batteries. Just like this guy is.

Is this correct? Sounds odd. Why not "I am excited ... too/as well"?

I too have a story: UNESCO-CI Story contributed by Karma Tshering, Nepal CMC coordinator. I too have a story. Digital editing at Tansen CMC © UNESCO Office New Delhi ...

That's more like "У меня тоже..."

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by charlestonian

The Tom Kyte Blog: I too am excited... I too am excited... About batteries. Just like this guy is.

Is this correct? Sounds odd. Why not "I am excited ... too/as well"?

I too have a story: UNESCO-CI Story contributed by Karma Tshering, Nepal CMC coordinator. I too have a story. Digital editing at Tansen CMC © UNESCO Office New Delhi ...

That's more like "У меня тоже..."

Such structure is for emphasizing "too," methink.

Originally Posted by charlestonian

"Me too" it is. If it is a short reply: Me too (period). But in a sentence, "I too" will sound better:
The Tom Kyte Blog: I too am excited... I too am excited... About batteries. Just like this guy is. Someone pointed out this nifty USB chargeable battery earlier and I just saw it again. ...
tkyte.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-too-am-excited.html

I too have a story: UNESCO-CI Story contributed by Karma Tshering, Nepal CMC coordinator. I too have a story. Digital editing at Tansen CMC © UNESCO Office New Delhi ...
portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=22266&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

What a thread!!!

Yes, "Me too" and "Me also" are responses to people with questions, or situations. "I, too" can be used in conversation, as a non-responsive... I'm trying to think of good examples... Charlestonian has a good example.

I continue to recommend "me too" and "me also" as easily understandable and natural English.

Truly, everyone who speaks English will understand "I too", "Me too", and "Me also"!

Don't worry about the grammar.

Many people think that "Me too" or "It's me!" is ungrammatical, although very common, but I don't think so. In French language there are special stressed independent pronouns Moi and Toi. It is absolutely correct to say "C'est moi" and not "c'est je", because je is only used with verbs. "Me too" (IMHO) is the remnant from those times when anglo-saxons mixed with french speaking Normans who used to say "Moi aussi!"

Originally Posted by Propp

Many people think that "Me too" or "It's me!" is ungrammatical, although very common, but I don't think so. In French language there are special stressed independent pronouns Moi and Toi. It is absolutely correct to say "C'est moi" and not "c'est je", because je is only used with verbs. "Me too" (IMHO) is the remnant from those times when anglo-saxons mixed with french speaking Normans who used to say "Moi aussi!"

Yup. Also, something this common should be considered grammatical by definition imo.

Originally Posted by Propp

Many people think that "Me too" or "It's me!" is ungrammatical, although very common, but I don't think so. In French language there are special stressed independent pronouns Moi and Toi. It is absolutely correct to say "C'est moi" and not "c'est je", because je is only used with verbs. "Me too" (IMHO) is the remnant from those times when anglo-saxons mixed with french speaking Normans who used to say "Moi aussi!"

I worry for Оля, and her confusion over all this.

O.K.... American English...

"I too" is grammatically correct, but not natural, normal English. It would only be used in a few sentences. I cannot remember when I last heard a Brit, American, Canadian, or Aussie use, "I too".

"Me too" and "Me also" are acceptable English.

All are understandable in conversation.

"I too" (why?? I don't know) would be the correct grammatical answer on the English Proficiency Exam, at Oxford University in the U.K.

But "I too" is not used commonly in North America, or anywhere else in the English-speaking areas. It's not colloquial, and is not natural. People here do not use this phrase. It sounds... "foreign".

English grammar, and the language, is evolving... and there is no "standard" anymore. It's changing. There are probably 7 different forms now, linguistically.

Originally Posted by Dobry

But "I too" is not used commonly in North America. It's not colloquial, and is not natural. People here do not use this phrase. It sounds... "foreign."

Is it used *anywhere*? it does not seem to be any more common among the Brits and Aussies.

Here is something you may find interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learn ... tv78.shtml


'So do I' / 'me too'


C Mathiack from Germany asks:

When can you replace So do I etc, with Me too’?


Roger replies:

Me too works quite well in simple exchanges such as:
'I’m hungry - Me too.' OR 'So am I.'

'I’m feeling very sleepy.' 'Me too.'

'I think I’ll go to bed.' 'So will I.'

It’s not very common as a stand-alone phrase with other pronouns, apart from You too? as a question, registering surprise, as in:
'I failed my maths exam.' 'You too? So did I!'

We would be unlikely to say: He too or Her too or They too, although we can use this construction if it is part of a longer utterance, as in:
'Maggie couldn’t go and he too discovered that he was unable to attend the December board meeting owing to a prior commitment.'
Note that the converse of Me too is Nor me or Me neither:
'I don’t fancy climbing to the top of this mountain this afternoon.' 'Me neither.'

'I’m not going to Jane’s party on Saturday.' 'Nor me.'




Note that the so construction is used to agree with a positive statement and the nor or neither construction is used to agree with a negative statement. It can be used with all tense forms and all modal verbs, so you need to be careful to select the right auxiliary verb or modal. Consider the following:
'I can’t swim.' 'Nor can I.'

'They shouldn’t have said they could help him.' 'Neither should I.'

'We stayed at the Shangri-La in Penang.' 'What a coincidence! So did we.'

'Marjorie’s going to live in Edinburgh – near the Cathedral.' 'So’s Jack – opposite the National Gallery.'

'I hate travelling all the way to Scotland by coach.' 'So do I.'

'I was so tired by the time we got there.' 'So were the other passengers.'

'We haven’t forgotten that it’s Sid’s birthday next week.' 'Neither have we.'

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by Dobry

But "I too" is not used commonly in North America. It's not colloquial, and is not natural. People here do not use this phrase. It sounds... "foreign."

Is it used *anywhere*? it does not seem to be any more common among the Brits and Aussies.

I edited my text, the same time you wrote yours. No, I don't think "I too" is common anywhere else, in English-speaking countries. Except for one or two uncommon situations.

My Aussie and Brit friends never say "I too"... they always say "Me too" or "Me also". Usually "Me too"... easier to say, with one less syllable.

Originally Posted by charlestonian

Here is something you may find interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learn ... tv78.shtml


'So do I' / 'me too'


C Mathiack from Germany asks:

When can you replace So do I etc, with Me too’?


Roger replies:

Me too works quite well in simple exchanges such as:
'I’m hungry - Me too.' OR 'So am I.'

'I’m feeling very sleepy.' 'Me too.'

'I think I’ll go to bed.' 'So will I.'

It’s not very common as a stand-alone phrase with other pronouns, apart from You too? as a question, registering surprise, as in:
'I failed my maths exam.' 'You too? So did I!'

We would be unlikely to say: He too or Her too or They too, although we can use this construction if it is part of a longer utterance, as in:
'Maggie couldn’t go and he too discovered that he was unable to attend the December board meeting owing to a prior commitment.'
Note that the converse of Me too is Nor me or Me neither:
'I don’t fancy climbing to the top of this mountain this afternoon.' 'Me neither.'

'I’m not going to Jane’s party on Saturday.' 'Nor me.'




Note that the so construction is used to agree with a positive statement and the nor or neither construction is used to agree with a negative statement. It can be used with all tense forms and all modal verbs, so you need to be careful to select the right auxiliary verb or modal. Consider the following:
'I can’t swim.' 'Nor can I.'

'They shouldn’t have said they could help him.' 'Neither should I.'

'We stayed at the Shangri-La in Penang.' 'What a coincidence! So did we.'

'Marjorie’s going to live in Edinburgh – near the Cathedral.' 'So’s Jack – opposite the National Gallery.'

'I hate travelling all the way to Scotland by coach.' 'So do I.'

'I was so tired by the time we got there.' 'So were the other passengers.'

'We haven’t forgotten that it’s Sid’s birthday next week.' 'Neither have we.'

I'm worrying now that we're muddying the waters.

"So do I", "Me too", "Me also", "I too" are all responses to situations or questions.

Their meanings are essentially the same. Any of these can be used and understood.

Please, no worries anyone, especially Оля.

"Я тоже" is so much simpler.