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  1. February 3rd, 2007, 08:03 PM #1
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    Want vs Won't

    How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?
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  2. February 3rd, 2007, 09:09 PM #2
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    Вонт и Воунт?
    -- Да? Коту Ваське, бл##?
    -- Нет, Я кот Васька :-/
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  3. February 4th, 2007, 12:15 AM #3
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    Thanks! I'll see if that works.
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  4. February 4th, 2007, 04:45 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
    Вонт и Воунт?
    Уонт и Воунт.
    Раньше было приняло Уотсон, Уатт, Уайт-холл, уайт-спирт.
    Может оно и лучше было, чем теперешние Ватсон, Ватт,...
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    If you want to just highlight the difference of the vowel sound, then
    Вонт and Воунт will probably suffice.

    If you want to make more of a W sound, perhaps Уонт Уоунт are better. Or you could use the Belarussian Ў :P
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  6. February 25th, 2007, 09:05 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wowik
    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
    Вонт и Воунт?
    Уонт и Воунт.
    Раньше было приняло Уотсон, Уатт, Уайт-холл, уайт-спирт.
    Может оно и лучше было, чем теперешние Ватсон, Ватт,...
    Может... Только ты немного "попутал мешки"... Сначала были Ватсон и Ватт, а потом, ближе ко второй половине 20 века согласно официальным правилам транскрипции они стали Уотсонами и Уаттами.
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  7. February 26th, 2007, 11:09 AM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Propp
    Quote Originally Posted by Wowik
    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
    Вонт и Воунт?
    Уонт и Воунт.
    Раньше было приняло Уотсон, Уатт, Уайт-холл, уайт-спирт.
    Может оно и лучше было, чем теперешние Ватсон, Ватт,...
    Может... Только ты немного "попутал мешки"... Сначала были Ватсон и Ватт, а потом, ближе ко второй половине 20 века согласно официальным правилам транскрипции они стали Уотсонами и Уаттами.
    Ну а теперь-то опять Ватсон. Так, что ничего не попутал, вторую половину и имел ввиду. Просто тут не одно колебание, судя по-всему.
    Взять, опять же "быстрых разумом невтонов"

    Вообщем, бардак!
    Единица измерения Ватт названиа в честь создателя паровой машины Уатта
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  8. February 26th, 2007, 11:34 AM #8
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?
    May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings?
    Could you please occasionally correct my stupid errors!
    Korrigiert bitte ab und zu meine dummen Fehler!
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  9. February 26th, 2007, 12:14 PM #9
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    Старый баян:

    - Hello, are you there?
    - Yes, who are you, please?
    - I'm Watt.
    - What's your name?
    - Watt's my name.
    - Yes, what's your name?
    - My name is John Watt.
    - John what?
    - Yes, are you Jones?
    - No, I'm Knot.
    - Wil you tell me your name than?
    - Will Knott.
    - Why not?
    - My name is Knott.
    - Not what?
    - Not Watt, Knott.
    - What?

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  10. February 26th, 2007, 03:20 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wowik
    Ну а теперь-то опять Ватсон.
    Это новость для меня.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
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  11. February 26th, 2007, 05:10 PM #11
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by Guin
    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?
    May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings?
    А что? Разве есть разница?


    [кант] and [ка:нт] ([ка-aнт])

    All "А" under a stress are equal. You can try to vary only the length of the vowel.
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  12. February 26th, 2007, 08:10 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Старый баян:

    - Hello, are you there?
    - Yes, who are you, please?
    - I'm Watt.
    - What's your name?
    - Watt's my name.
    - Yes, what's your name?
    - My name is John Watt.
    - John what?
    - Yes, are you Jones?
    - No, I'm Knot.
    - Wil you tell me your name than?
    - Will Knott.
    - Why not?
    - My name is Knott.
    - Not what?
    - Not Watt, Knott.
    - What?

    lmfao hahah good one, Ramil!
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  13. February 26th, 2007, 11:34 PM #13
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    A chat friend has a song about "Willie". Confused me until she told me it was to learn different sounds not "normal" in Russian. She chats on office time so she sings it quietly. I sing "Head, shoulders, knees and toes" in Russian (words supplied by a poster) and the "Hokey Pokey". I work for myself, so I don't look like a complete idiot.
    I'm easily amused late at night...
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  14. February 27th, 2007, 02:02 AM #14
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    In American English the two words are very different:

    уант -- уонт. Want has a clear /a/ sound and won't has a clear /o/ sound.
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  15. February 27th, 2007, 04:31 AM #15
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by Wowik
    Quote Originally Posted by Guin
    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?
    May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings?
    А что? Разве есть разница?


    [кант] and [ка:нт] ([ка-aнт])

    All "А" under a stress are equal. You can try to vary only the length of the vowel.
    this is not true (not even in BrE -- and in AmE, they have nothing in common at all). Neither in BrE nor in AmE are there any vowels that would differ only in length, iirc.
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by Guin
    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?
    May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings?
    Can you represent the difference to avoid ambiguity?

    но, ю кант
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  17. February 27th, 2007, 08:49 AM #17
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher

    Can you represent the difference to avoid ambiguity?

    но, ю кант
    Could you please occasionally correct my stupid errors!
    Korrigiert bitte ab und zu meine dummen Fehler!
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  18. February 27th, 2007, 10:39 AM #18
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by laxxy
    this is not true
    Правда-правда, я про русский писал. Для рускоязычного все ударные А одинаковы. Можно только длительность изобразить, удвоив букву.
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  19. February 27th, 2007, 12:20 PM #19
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by Wowik
    Quote Originally Posted by laxxy
    this is not true
    Правда-правда, я про русский писал. Для рускоязычного все ударные А одинаковы. Можно только длительность изобразить, удвоив букву.
    Are you sure? Does the last "a" in "салат" sound the same as in "парк"? When I say "салат", the "a" is longer than that of "парк" and its quality resembles that of "э" in "эра" to some extent. Common spelling mistake that schoolchildren make in Russia is "сылэт".
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    Re: Want vs Won't

    Quote Originally Posted by VendingMachine
    Does the last "a" in "салат" sound the same as in "парк"?
    Звучать может и по-разному. Звук же окружен другими, и они влияют по-разному. Но рускоязычный человек никогда не задумывается, что он их произносит по-разному. Для него все ударные А если уж и не одинаковы, то эквивалентны. Он их может и отличает, но не различаетб не противопоставляет. И транскрибировать он их иначе, как через А, не будет.

    Quote Originally Posted by VendingMachine
    Common spelling mistake that schoolchildren make in Russia is "сылэт".
    Может где-то в горах Дагестана так и пишут У нас пишут "сылат".

    Тут ЯТЬ и Е триста лет никто различает, хотя отличия в произношении остались. Вот уж где школьных ошибок было навалом.
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