I agree with VendingMachine, but would like to add that it's not worth even mentioning. At least, the Yoda syndrome cannot exist in Russian.
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I agree with VendingMachine, but would like to add that it's not worth even mentioning. At least, the Yoda syndrome cannot exist in Russian.
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Terrence and Phillip are much funnier than Ned though...Pronouncing "about" like "aboot" just cracks me up for no reason whatsover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
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O RLY!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
The George Jones icon didn't give it away...That photo must be circa 1492 or so I think. :D
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The south will fall again!
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I just think its funny when people say that the south will rise again, because, I can't seem to find a time when it ever rose in the first place?!
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And then you lost!
Yeah, a major achievement... :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
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Thats a book of fiction about a love story and probly has very little to do with real life.
Which brings me to my next question about the south. Howcome it seems like people from the south are the most patriotic to be american, but at the same time they want to be their own country?
sometimes the south seems so backwards.
I think there are about 3 people who actually want independence today. I'm not sure I remember anyone campaigning on that last presidential election (there were people campaigning as communists though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
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Charlestonian is right. There is a loyalty and pride in most Southerners. Also, it is very important to say that the war was mainly over economics, not over slavery. Most Confederate soldiers during the war, came from poor farm families, with no slaves. But there was the idea with most Confederates that the "North" (the Federal government) was trying to interfere with their personal rights, and the rights of each Southern State... come into the South and take control away from the individual States... take your rights, as a citizen, away from you... which many believed to be a clear violation of the original U.S. Constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
This was an important reason that General Robert E. Lee, the senior commander of the Confederacy, abandoned his military command in the Federal government, and became the main military leader of the Confederacy... and his loyalty to his home State of Virginia.
Very complex questions... and most of these difficulties that caused the war between the North and the South were economic and/or political.
My mother comes from a "neutral" Kansas heritage, but my father comes from the Old South... deep forests of southern Arkansas, near the Louisiana border. My great-great-grandfather's home (near Fordyce, Arkansas) is still remembered in the legends of the Civil War...
...his home was agreed to by North and South Generals as a "no-man's land" (absolutely neutral) and served as a hospital to both Confederate, and Federal soldiers. My great-great-grandfather Marks refused to fight for the Confederacy... but both North and South honored this "cease-fire" on his land, so that the wounded, from both sides, could get medical treatment. And my great-great-grandfather remained protected... neither North or South bothered him, his family, or damaged his farm or mill, because of this treaty between North and South commanders. So, he and his family survived the war, without much difficulty.
There was an important battle fought near his land... the Battle of Marks Mill. My great-great-grandfather's grain mill.
But, in our family history, we had ancestors fight, and die, on both sides... North and South.
To understand America, I think it's important to understand the Civil War. To paraphrase the American historian Shelby Foote, "The Civil War changed us forever, and defined us as a Nation."
А ты определенно из Одессы: отвечаешь вопросом на вопрос. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
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That I 'is" :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
That's a fascinating story. My question would be this: how was this neutrality made clear to a commander who was from out of the area? If for example, a union army from another state were for some reason come to his home and find 5 confederates in bed and no union troops at that particular time, wouldn't they be a bit suspicious/upset? Was there some sort of an actual written contract (that would have to be an incredible piece of paper to have!), or did all the locals just know that to be the case, or did they simply take him at his word?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobry
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It was also the first submarine to sink itself and actually sustained higher fatalities than its victim. Oops...Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
I don't know all the details... but here is the story that has been passed down in my family... I don't think any "paper treaty" still exists, but in the military journals of the Federal commander, which are kept in the State Archives, he details the "truce" that was agreed upon by both sides to allow the Marks land to be "neutral", and used for medical care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Бармалей
There also is a big granite block sitting in the family cemetery, near Fordyce, that details what happened...
He was well-known in the area as the grain miller, and so, he had a lot of "weight" so to speak with the populace. The Marks' were a big family, with his brothers owning a lot of land around that area. And although he did not own slaves (that is another family story), he was wealthy (compared to others living around him), with some political power, and he owned a big 2-story mansion... big enough to be a make-shift hospital.
When the war reached the area, my great-great-grandfather offered to the Confederate commander to use his mansion as a hospital for the wounded, IF the Confederate commander agreed to allow Federal soldiers to be treated also... so, the Confederate commander and Federal commander parlayed, and agreed that the Marks estate was a "cease-fire" zone, and a hospital... for both sides. No shots would be fired and no soldier would be captured while on the Marks land, by either side.
One reason the Confederate commander agreed to this, and you need to understand this... this was a poor area of the South, without many resources or supplies to take care of the wounded. (Also, there is an unwritten "Code of Conduct"... part of our culture in the South... among most Southerners, that is different from Northerners, even today... I think Charlestonian understands what I mean.)
The Federal commander in his journal also echoes this... supplies and medical treatment were very limited for the North's soldiers also, this far south.
So, it was a humanitarian decision from both sides, and both sides desperately needed it, to have a "neutral zone", for safety and medical treatment.
This all may sound strange... but it was a strange war.
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Ты часто с дискуссии на личности переходишь. Нехорошо-с. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
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Fascinating story; thanks for sharing! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobry