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    I was told that in American English the sequence of tenses rules are slightly reduced, i.e.:

    American English: I said that I am an Engineer
    Britain English: I said that I was an Engineer

    Is it right ???

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    Re: American English

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuvak
    I was told that in American English the sequence of tenses rules are slightly reduced, i.e.:

    American English: I said that I am an Engineer

    I currently am an Engineer.

    Britain English: I said that I was an Engineer

    I used to be an Engineer but am no longer.

    Is it right ???
    I speak American English. If I was to say past tense I would use the "British English" example above.

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    I don't really agree with this -- I've heard plenty of Americans say both variants. Perhaps in the commonwealth countries there is some clear-cut variant, but that's not really the case in the US, I'd say.
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    Shouldn't the variant 'I said that I am an Engineer' only be used if the speaker is still an engineer (at the moment of speaking)?
    And if he is no longer an engineer (at the moment of speaking), shouldn't 'I said that I was an Engineer' be the only possible version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim84
    Shouldn't the variant 'I said that I am an Engineer' only be used if the speaker is still an engineer (at the moment of speaking)?
    And if he is no longer an engineer (at the moment of speaking), shouldn't 'I said that I was an Engineer' be the only possible version?
    I've been taught that "I said I am" is incorrect except direct speech:
    I said: 'I am...' and when you're narrating then you should use sequence of tenses rules: I said I was...
    Either my teachers were wrong or people often neglect rules while speaking.
    Or, maybe, the rules have changed over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    or people often neglect rules while speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Бармалей
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    or people often neglect rules while speaking.
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    Thanks !!!

    BTW, Can I use the adjective "abhorrent" referring to people, i.e. is it natural to say "I'm gonna eliminate all my most abhorrent enemies" ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuvak
    Thanks !!!

    BTW, Can I use the adjective "abhorrent" referring to people, i.e. is it natural to say "I'm gonna eliminate all my most abhorrent enemies" ???
    I suppose so, but it's much more common to use it to refer to a thing or an idea ("fascism is an abhorent ideology").
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    chaika

    plus -- it's not likely you would want to use "gonna" and "abhorent" in the same sentence! They are from different registers.

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    Re: chaika

    Quote Originally Posted by chaika
    plus -- it's not likely you would want to use "gonna" and "abhorent" in the same sentence! They are from different registers.
    That is true but if one wanted to add a touch of comedy if would be OK.
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    I said I was... period
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    I believe you can use the present if it is, in fact, true information. But: "I told him I was a zebra."

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    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    I believe you can use the present if it is, in fact, true information. But: "I told him I was a zebra."
    You are a very talented zebra, to be able to type dispite having the clunky hooves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Бармалей
    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    I believe you can use the present if it is, in fact, true information. But: "I told him I was a zebra."
    You are a very talented zebra, to be able to type dispite having the clunky hooves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Бармалей
    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    I believe you can use the present if it is, in fact, true information. But: "I told him I was a zebra."
    You are a very talented zebra, to be able to type dispite having the clunky hooves.
    So are you, despite your spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    Quote Originally Posted by Бармалей
    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    I believe you can use the present if it is, in fact, true information. But: "I told him I was a zebra."
    You are a very talented zebra, to be able to type dispite having the clunky hooves.
    So are you, despite your spelling
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