Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
by TATY:
FYI the English rendering of Николаев is Nikolaev or Nikolayev. The rendering of the Ukrainian is Мykolayiv.
In Ukrainian you don't reduce the pronunciation of unstressed Os, so unlike in Russian where it reduces to an A sound, an O is always an O in Ukrainian.
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
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Still undecided if I am going to have my name changed to reflect the Orthodox conversion.
Are you under the ROCA or the AOC?
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
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Originally Posted by MasterAdmin
by Volodymyr:
I am an Orthodox convert and my patron saint is St. Vladimir/Volodymyr.
you are a convert so what were you originally?
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
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Originally Posted by xRoosterx
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Still undecided if I am going to have my name changed to reflect the Orthodox conversion.
Are you under the ROCA or the AOC?
what is the difference between ROCA and AOC? and what are they exactly?
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
I go to a Greek Orthodox parish actually, but consider myself mostly just "Eastern Orthodox," it just happens that the Greek parish here was the convenient and most welcoming. Not sure if there is a Russian parish here either (the majority of our parish is actually Slavic I think).
My family joined a Covenant Protestant church when I was 10 or 11. I was sort of "in the market" for a new church once I got to college because I never really felt "spiritual," and I had put a lot of time in with teaching Sunday school and going on missions and whatnot. The fates sort of aligned and as I was studying Medieval Russian History (and growing interested in Orthodoxy) my university advisor recommended I attend an Orthodox church as part of my attempts to "explore my roots"- unfortunately my dad could hardly care less what his ancestry is and my grandma, whose father was from Ukraine, is dead so there isn't really any cultural connection left in my family. My aunt does take a lot of interest in it though, we are planning on trying to visit his town someday and see if we can dig anything up on who he was- but its doubtful we will find anything.
Anyone able to provide a pronunciation of Volodymyr (in English [or Russian] characters?! heh) thanks!
Oh and Tamerlane, I'm not sure what ROCA is (OCA is the Orthodox Church of America), I am familiar with the ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia- I think it has been reunited with the Russian Orthodox Church, though I'm not sure how completely) and AOC is probably the Antiochian Orthodox Church. The primary differences between the different churches are historical development and patriarchies, traditional differences exist (such as in worship) but as far as I know the doctrine of most Orthodox churches in communion are almost identical.
EDIT: I'm not much of an expert on doctrine and such though. I go because as Vladimir's emissaries supposedly said, during the Divine Liturgy you cannot tell if you are in heaven or on earth. Never felt that in any other service I have been to!
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
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Originally Posted by Volodymyr
I go to a Greek Orthodox parish actually, but consider myself mostly just "Eastern Orthodox," it just happens that the Greek parish here was the convenient and most welcoming. Not sure if there is a Russian parish here either (the majority of our parish is actually Slavic I think).
My family joined a Covenant Protestant church when I was 10 or 11. I was sort of "in the market" for a new church once I got to college because I never really felt "spiritual," and I had put a lot of time in with teaching Sunday school and going on missions and whatnot. The fates sort of aligned and as I was studying Medieval Russian History (and growing interested in Orthodoxy) my university advisor recommended I attend an Orthodox church as part of my attempts to "explore my roots"- unfortunately my dad could hardly care less what his ancestry is and my grandma, whose father was from Ukraine, is dead so there isn't really any cultural connection left in my family. My aunt does take a lot of interest in it though, we are planning on trying to visit his town someday and see if we can dig anything up on who he was- but its doubtful we will find anything.
Anyone able to provide a pronunciation of Volodymyr (in English [or Russian] characters?! heh) thanks!
Oh and Tamerlane, I'm not sure what ROCA is (OCA is the Orthodox Church of America), I am familiar with the ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia- I think it has been reunited with the Russian Orthodox Church, though I'm not sure how completely) and AOC is probably the Antiochian Orthodox Church. The primary differences between the different churches are historical development and patriarchies, traditional differences exist (such as in worship) but as far as I know the doctrine of most Orthodox churches in communion are almost identical.
EDIT: I'm not much of an expert on doctrine and such though. I go because as Vladimir's emissaries supposedly said, during the Divine Liturgy you cannot tell if you are in heaven or on earth. Never felt that in any other service I have been to!
sorry...ROCIA - Russian Orthodox Church In America ( forgot that the 'in' is acronymized ) It is autocephalous, although it was originally chartered under the Moscow Patriarchate.
OCA = AOC - also autocephalous.
ROCOR is now officially linked with the Moscow Patriarchate after a long history of political factors delayed the reunion.
Basically, Patriarch Tikhon caused this mass division when he ordered all the orthodox churches autonomous and on their own accord after the Bolshevik Revolution. Most of these new churches are simply products of Soviet Diaspora.
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
Anyone able to provide an English pronunciation "guide" for Volodymyr yet? :D
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
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Originally Posted by Volodymyr
Anyone able to provide an English pronunciation "guide" for Volodymyr yet? :D
There was
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It's pronounced "Voh-loh-dy-myr" (where "y" is "ы" sound) - there's no reduction of the unstressed vowels in Ukrainian, so unstressed "o" is still "oh".
What else? I can add only that the third syllab is stressed.
BTW if you plan to walk around Russian-spoken forums with a nick like this you always risk to be dragged into the traditional Russian-Ukrainian political bickering. :)
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Oh crap I missed it, thanks!
So both "y"s are like "ы"?
Yeah I know, I tend to stick to Vladimir unless its taken, which it normally is :cry:.
Re: Volodymyr vs. Vladimir
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Originally Posted by Volodymyr
So both "y"s are like "ы"?
Right. It's like in Polish language, which has the same sound y=ы and use latin-based alphabet.