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So I am from Lithuania, however my family are of Ukrainian and Russian origin so therefore are my names Russian, but in Lithuania we try to change everything to fit Lithuanian ways :P
My name was
Вадим Владимирович Козловский
but now
Vadim Vladimirovič Kozlovskis
I just thought to post this as I think maybe for someone here it will be interesting!
In Lithuania we try to change everything! :P
But nobody calls me by Vadim, but my
Your surname sounds Polish.
Bushs, Putins - good names too :)
There used to be a Lithuanian and Polish commonwealth a few hundred years ago, so that's not entirely unlikely. So if his forebearers wanted to adjust to the Lithuanian version, they may have taken a more localized version of Kozlov, which could in fact have been a Polish name. Which you probably already knew -- and were probably just talking out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Kozlowski is a Polish name.
Ski is a Slavic ending. Lithuanian is not Slavic.
Russian names don't tend to end in -ski. The ones that do are often of Polish origin. Lots, maybe most POlish names end in -Ski, and also in neighoubring Belarus' and Ukraine.
He said his parents came from Russia/Ukraine.
Wait. Козловский is Kozlovskiy and Kozlovski is Козловски. Thus the first one is russian the second - Polish. I believe Kozlovski in this case was Russian second name. or what??
No, no, I understand that. My conjecture was simply that at some point there was a large Polish community in Lithuania, and it followed that such a common name as Kozlovski would be present there -- a Russian who wanted to sound more localized may adopt that variant, since it was from a similar, Slavic language in a place where such a name was normal. That was all. Consider a scenario in which a person in what was then the Louisiana territory in the US would have been named de la Francais, but adopted de la Francia in order to be more "localized" (in this case, to appeal to the Spanish speaking Mexican authorities in Texas). He didn't adopt Frank/Frankman/Frankwhatever. Again, maybe I'm completely off base, but that was just a theory...Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
No, in English we usually write -ский and just -sky or -skiQuote:
Originally Posted by Leof
then tell me one thing - do the Polish family names end with ский or ски :?:
tnx KV! :)
The same is in Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanushki
Apparently somebody in the government cosiders it's funny to translate russian last names into Ukrainian regardless of people's will. Thus Скворцов according to his new passport becomes Шпаков, etc. It's humiliating. :evil: Thanks God my last name can't be translated since nobody knows what it means. :)
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Originally Posted by Leof
Well I think it must be russian, unless there is polish heritage somewhere but I have never ever been told of this! By the way we write it Kozlovskis only because we lived in Lithuania, originally it would be and still is by my family there written Kozlovskiy. My father was from Cheljabinsk and mother's family were from Kyiv.
My mother's name is Naталья Оставівна Золотова. Zolotova to me is russian I think but I have no clue about her origins to be honest. :?
In Polish names end in
-ski
See in Russian and Belarussian the standard endings for adjectives are long, like doubled:
новый
новая
новое
новые
In Ukrainian you can write them long, but the standard form is short, but the long form is retained in the masculine:
новий
нова
нове
нові
In the other slavonic languages they have short endings:
E.g. in Serbian, the adjective Serbian is Српски, Српска
In Polish the names end in
-ski or -ska (m/f).
Thus Mr. Kaczyński is married to Mrs. Kaczyńska.
But when Polish names are transliterated into Russian, they Russify them to:
Качиньский , Качинськая. If you see something written about the Polish president, Lech Kaczyński, in a Russian newspaper they'll put -ский at the end even though in Polish it ends -ski. (Лех Качиньский)
This means the names will decline:
Дом Качиньского - Mr. Kaczyński's house
Of course in Polish the name would decline in the same way:
Dom Kaczyńskego
-ов(а) is a Russian ending for a name. Although there are lots of people in Ukraine with such names, they are not Ukrainian in origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanushki
I can say, that in Slovakia we have many different endings of surnames, but only the females surnames have to end in this form: [b]-ov
thank you for explaining so widely - now I understood about the second namesQuote:
Originally Posted by TATY
talking of the long (full) and short forms, the Russian long forms have appeared later than common-slavic short forms. IIRC, "long" forms were originally a combination of an adjective and a pronoun.
Thanks. I thought as much since only Russian and Belarussian have them, so it was likely they developed later.Quote:
Originally Posted by translations.nm.ru
In Ukrainian they tend to be only found in archaic texts or in poetry and sounds (to aid rhyming).
Interestingly it is the other way round when it comes to мною тобою etc. (long form instrumental endings) In Ukrainian these are the usual forms, whereas in Russian they have reduced are more poetic.
Like Я говорю українською мовою -
українською мовою is the Instrumental of українська мова
In Russian the -ою in the endings of adjectives and nouns have reduced to -ой.
There is another problem in SLovakia, but I am not sure if anybody cares about it.... :cry:
In our language we say: Anna Kournikovova... I think in Russian it is: Anna Kournikova
...
This seems quite plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barmaley
Wow! That's strange. Why add another -ova when it already has this ending? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Pejko
Hey! I am very interested :DQuote:
There is another problem in SLovakia, but I am not sure if anybody cares about it....
I do not know why.... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
Maybe to show it's foreign?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pejko
Maybe. There is a saying that every Slovak one is nacionalist :) so better to know who is not from our tribe :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Now realy. This translation (Kournikovova) was the most often repeted mistake in our medias. The right one is Kournikova, because it already contains -ova. I want only to make you smiling.
So, keep :!: smiling :!: : :lol:
It did make me smiling.
You, smiling maker, you.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, thank you. An now, look at me, I am going to try to stop smiling...wait a minute at this position!Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
...
...
...
... and they lived happily ever after... :lol:
Ukranian: Київ - Kyiv [Kyjiv]Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanushki
Russian: Киeв - Kiev [Kijev]
Polish (and Chech, Slovak) women's surnames endings are generated by rules similar to generating feminine gender of possessives.
Women's surname should answer the question "Whose?" ("Чья?")
Czyja jest pani?
Чья это жена (женщина)?
Whose wife (woman) is this?
* If surname in masculine gender has no ending (it looks like has ending on consonant)
in feminine gender it add ending -owa (-ova)
pan Novak
pani Novakova
pan Orzeszek
Eliza Orzeszkowa
* If surname in masculine gender has ending on vowel, for example
-ski
in feminine gender it changes the ending
-ska
pan Kozlowski
pani Kozlowska
In Russian corresponding endings are -ский/-ская.
So surnames adopted from Polish before the end of XX century always have -ский/-ская. At present time it is possible to use both -ский/-ская
and -ски/-ска (in official documents)
Wojciech Jaruzelski
Войцех Ярузельский
Войцех Ярузельски
In Lithuanian the corresponding ending for -ski is -skis
Polish: Kozlowski
Lithuanian: Kozlovskis
Russian: Козловский
What is feminine gender for Kozlovskis in Lithuanian?
So in Polish(Chech/Slovak)
if Mr. Kurnik
then Mrs. Kurnikowa
if Mr. Kurnikow - (not possible in these language?)
then Mrs. Kurnikovowa
It seems here masculine gender of surname answer to the question
Who? not Whose?
pan Orzeszek (Who is the man? He is a nutlet. [Or hi is like a nutlet.])
pani Orzeszkowa (Whose wife is the woman? She is Mr. Nutlet's wife)
In Ukranian we often see here Vokativ case. (Hey! Nutlet!)
пан Ожешко (Орешко)
пани Ожешко
In Russian there is no more Vokativ case. (It coincide with Nominative case)
г-н Орешек
г-жа Орешек
But if we set question Whose?. Answers are
г-н Орешков
г-жа Орешкова