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    -ник

    Are names that end in -ник Ukrainian?
    The way I see it is that if you add an o, the и drops out and you get
    -нко which is definately Ukrainian.

    What are hte meanings of -nik and -enko anyways?
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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Are names that end in -ник Ukrainian?
    I can make four changes and I'll get a TATY as a result.

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    What are hte meanings of -nik and -enko anyways?
    Absolutely nothing. Just a suffix.
    Я танцую пьяный на столе нума нума е нума нума нума е
    Снова счастье улыбнулось мне нума нума е нума нума нума е

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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by BETEP
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Are names that end in -ник Ukrainian?
    I can make four changes and I'll get a TATY as a result.

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    What are hte meanings of -nik and -enko anyways?
    Absolutely nothing. Just a suffix.
    Are you sure? Suffixes have meanings. E.g.
    Волк - wolf
    Волков - of wolves

    I'm sure in Russian some proffessions have the ending -nik.
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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Are names that end in -ник Ukrainian?
    The way I see it is that if you add an o, the и drops out and you get
    -нко which is definately Ukrainian.

    What are hte meanings of -nik and -enko anyways?
    Well, my lastname has -enko on the end but I'm not ukrainian...

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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Are you sure? Suffixes have meanings. E.g.
    Волк - wolf
    Волков - of wolves
    Волк has meaning, but -ов does not.
    Я танцую пьяный на столе нума нума е нума нума нума е
    Снова счастье улыбнулось мне нума нума е нума нума нума е

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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Are you sure? Suffixes have meanings. E.g.
    Волк - wolf
    Волков - of wolves
    Волк has meaning, but -ов does not.
    Я танцую пьяный на столе нума нума е нума нума нума е
    Снова счастье улыбнулось мне нума нума е нума нума нума е

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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by BETEP
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Are you sure? Suffixes have meanings. E.g.
    Волк - wolf
    Волков - of wolves
    Волк has meaning, but -ов does not.
    Yes, but it modifies the meaning. Dont be pedanic. The presence of - indicates I am talking about the significance of the suffix. I'm not saying that Ов is a word and has a meaning, or that -nik is a word with a meaning.

    DenisM, -enko names are Ukrainian, so somewhere in you family there must be someone Ukrainian.
    Why do people insist on using individual cases. I didnt say if you're names ends -nko you are a 100% Ukrainian. I said -nko names are definately Ukrainian, i.e., the name originated in the Ukraine.
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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
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    DenisM, -enko names are Ukrainian, so somewhere in you family there must be someone Ukrainian.
    Why do people insist on using individual cases. I didnt say if you're names ends -nko you are a 100% Ukrainian. I said -nko names are definately Ukrainian, i.e., the name originated in the Ukraine.
    Nope, I have no ukrainian ancestors at all.

    Ok, here is the story. My father used to have -enkov in his lastname. But at certain moment (a few years after WWII) there was a passport replacement campaign and he rubbed off the last letter (-v) in his old passport because he didn't like it for some reason. So in a new one he had a lastname ending in -enko. But my aunt and grandmother still had -enkova.

    Anyway, in general I would agree with you that -enko is an ukrainian lastname ending in 99.99%% cases.

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    Re: -ник

    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
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    DenisM, -enko names are Ukrainian, so somewhere in you family there must be someone Ukrainian.
    Why do people insist on using individual cases. I didnt say if you're names ends -nko you are a 100% Ukrainian. I said -nko names are definately Ukrainian, i.e., the name originated in the Ukraine.
    Nope, I have no ukrainian ancestors at all.

    Ok, here is the story. My father used to have -enkov in his lastname. But at certain moment (a few years after WWII) there was a passport replacement campaign and he rubbed off the last letter (-v) in his old passport because he didn't like it for some reason. So in a new one he had a lastname ending in -enko. But my aunt and grandmother still had -enkova.

    Anyway, in general I would agree with you that -enko is an ukrainian lastname ending in 99.99%% cases.
    Yes, I'm sure in other languages there are some names which happen to end in -nko aswell.
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    Yes, but it modifies the meaning. Dont be pedanic. The presence of - indicates I am talking about the significance of the suffix. I'm not saying that Ов is a word and has a meaning, or that -nik is a word with a meaning.
    In the case of last names you have to be careful - it's true that "ов" is used with most words to mean "of" something, but I'm not sure you can say the same thing about last names. -ник and -чик can be seen in some Russian words like спутник, битник, переводчик, and so on, but it could be that they serve a completely different purpose in the last name. There are a lot of Eastern European names that end in -ик, which looks more like a diminutive than anything, same goes for -енько.

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    I am an ethnic Ukrainian and my name last name doesn't end in -enko.
    Vrei să pleci dar nu ma, nu ma iei
    Nu ma, nu ma iei, nu ma, nu ma, nu ma iei
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    There are a lot of endings that are mostly Ukrainian besides -enko. But plenty of Ukrainians have endings like -ov and -in just like Russians.

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    mine is zelazek. its polish...but this polish guy keeps telling my grandpa it is ukranian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Евгения Белякова
    I am an ethnic Ukrainian and my name last name doesn't end in -enko.
    Hello. Did i say that all Ukrainian names end in -enko? No i didn't did I?

    What is it with the people on this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pravit
    There are a lot of endings that are mostly Ukrainian besides -enko. But plenty of Ukrainians have endings like -ov and -in just like Russians.
    Kovalyov is Ukrainian apparently.

    Talking of, names, Gogol' in Ukrainian sounds like Hohol, which means something in the language. Anyways, isn't хохол an bad word used by Russians to insult Ukrainians ?
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    TATY I was in now way insulting you, I was just commenting about my last name. I didn't mean to be rude in anyway.
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    Don't mind TATY, he gets his panties into a twist pretty easily, I've noticed.

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    I've noticed
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Kovalyov is Ukrainian apparently.
    It is both Russian and Ukrainian.

    By the way it is characteristic of many Ukrainian surnames not to have any ending - Коваль vs. Ковалёв which is more typical for Russian. Коваль is used in the Ukrainian for "smith" but we need to remember that many if not most family names come from the times when the distinction between these two languages (especially their dialects, like Southern Russian and Eastern Ukrainian for example) was smaller.

    -енко is very typical for Ukrainian, you are right. So a person who has such a surname has some Ukrainian or at least Southern, South-Western Russian ancestry.

    -ник is often the profession suffix. E. g. "Резник" (an old Southern term for "butcher") can be both Russian and Ukrainian, however, for Russian "Резников" would be more typical. But again, it's not a 100% rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Talking of, names, Gogol' in Ukrainian sounds like Hohol, which means something in the language. Anyways, isn't хохол an bad word used by Russians to insult Ukrainians ?
    "Гоголь" is a species of duck. "Гоголь" and "хохол" don't sound the same. The Ukrainian and Southern Russian "г" ("h") is a voiced consonant, while "х" ("kh") is voiceless. Besides, the stress is different in those two words - гоголь vs. хохол. More than that, "ль" is palatalized while "л" is hard. So for us Russians and Ukrainians those words as quite different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ljosha
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Kovalyov is Ukrainian apparently.
    It is both Russian and Ukrainian.

    By the way it is characteristic of many Ukrainian surnames not to have any ending - Коваль vs. Ковалёв which is more typical for Russian. Коваль is used in the Ukrainian for "smith" but we need to remember that many if not most family names come from the times when the distinction between these two languages (especially their dialects, like Southern Russian and Eastern Ukrainian for example) was smaller.

    -енко is very typical for Ukrainian, you are right. So a person who has such a surname has some Ukrainian or at least Southern, South-Western Russian ancestry.

    -ник is often the profession suffix. E. g. "Резник" (an old Southern term for "butcher") can be both Russian and Ukrainian, however, for Russian "Резников" would be more typical. But again, it's not a 100% rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Talking of, names, Gogol' in Ukrainian sounds like Hohol, which means something in the language. Anyways, isn't хохол an bad word used by Russians to insult Ukrainians ?
    "Гоголь" is a species of duck. "Гоголь" and "хохол" don't sound the same. The Ukrainian and Southern Russian "г" ("h") is a voiced consonant, while "х" ("kh") is voiceless. Besides, the stress is different in those two words - гоголь vs. хохол. More than that, "ль" is palatalized while "л" is hard. So for us Russians and Ukrainians those words as quite different.
    Спасибо Лёша. Я тоже люблю песню "Югославия"
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