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    Another case question :(

    Hi, I'm pretty new here, this is my second post, so sorry if this question's been asked before. I was wondering, are there any special rules pertaining to case endings? Or do you have to memorize the endings separately for each word?

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    Re: Another case question :(

    Quote Originally Posted by soadostrich
    I was wondering, are there any special rules pertaining to case endings? Or do you have to memorize the endings separately for each word?
    Of course there are rules.
    Я танцую пьяный на столе нума нума е нума нума нума е
    Снова счастье улыбнулось мне нума нума е нума нума нума е

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    Heh, for everyword. that would be gay.

    No, just for each gender. As there are 3 genders, you must memorize the case ending for each gender.
    Вот это да, я так люблю себя. И сегодня я люблю себя, ещё больше чем вчера, а завтра я буду любить себя to ещё больше чем сегодня. Тем что происходит,я вполне доволен!

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    Sorry, it's emtpy.
    Я танцую пьяный на столе нума нума е нума нума нума е
    Снова счастье улыбнулось мне нума нума е нума нума нума е

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy182
    No, just for each gender. As there are 3 genders, you must memorize the case ending for each gender.
    And only after that you should memorize a gender, a stress and a склонение(?) for all those words.
    Actually, you can define склонение judging by it's ending but sometimes it doesn't work. I found a lot of tables in here.

    стул(II), стол(II) - мужской род (masculine)
    скамейка(I), табуретка(I), лень(III) - женский род (feminine)
    окно(II), яблоко(II) - средний род (neuter)

    <table border="1">
    <tr>
    <td>Вопрос</td>
    <td>I</td>
    <td>II</td>
    <td>III</td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td>кто? что?</td>
    <td>скамейка</td>
    <td>стул</td>
    <td>лень</td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td>кого? чего?</td>
    <td>скамейки</td>
    <td>стула</td>
    <td>лени</td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td>кому? чему?</td>
    <td>скамейке</td>
    <td>стулу</td>
    <td>лени</td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td>(на) кого? (на) что?</td>
    <td>(на) скамейку</td>
    <td>(на) стул</td>
    <td>(на) лень</td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td>кем? чем?</td>
    <td>скамейкой</td>
    <td>стулом</td>
    <td>ленью</td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td>(о) ком? (о) чем?</td>
    <td>(о) скамейке</td>
    <td>(о) стуле</td>
    <td>(о) лени</td>
    </tr>
    </table>
    Я танцую пьяный на столе нума нума е нума нума нума е
    Снова счастье улыбнулось мне нума нума е нума нума нума е

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    soadostrich, are you trying to learn Russian without a grammar book? Otherwise it's hard to understand your question.

    There are definitely rules, just like, for example, in English we have rules governing how we make a plural from a singular noun. Sometimes we add the /s/ sound (cigarette - cigarettes), sometimes the /z/ (cigar - cigars, roach - roaches), and sometimes something totally off the wall (wife - wives, child - children, hypothesis - hypotheses). Russian is the same way - general rules, with some exceptions. It is many times more difficult because Russian has more than just singular/plural forms, as you are already aware.

    Any first-year grammar book should be able to answer your question. This site has a section about learning books, and you could probably find some good recommendations there. I am a tutor in Chapel Hill, and use the book that UNC uses, called Начало, 1 and 2 for the first two years of Russian. They are about $100 a pop, including workbook and tape. Not bad, I would recommend Начало as it also gives you a sense of Russian life as well as its language.

    Good luck on your quest! Успехи!

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    Thanks for your help everyone. I do think it would be a good idea to get a grammar book, so I guess I'll do that.

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    You don't need a grammar book. I certianly didn't look at one till only about 4 months ago (About a year and a half into learning russian). I managed to learn cases, adjectives, verbs of motion, and all that mumbo jumbo from just the internet... Though, a good dictionary helps.
    Вот это да, я так люблю себя. И сегодня я люблю себя, ещё больше чем вчера, а завтра я буду любить себя to ещё больше чем сегодня. Тем что происходит,я вполне доволен!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy182
    I managed to learn cases, adjectives, verbs of motion...
    Wow! I've been working with Russian outside of Russian for more years than you are old and I still have questions with motion verbs!! =:^0

    I only wish I could live there for a year!

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    Yes

    Motion verbs are SO annoying. I often get confused by them and have to think which one to use...
    I am teaching my mother how to speak Russian and I taught her how to say "go away" and now she says it to me all the time....she is joking of course, but I know what you mean about those verbs of motion.
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    When you say "Go away" what do you say?
    Vrei să pleci dar nu ma, nu ma iei
    Nu ma, nu ma iei, nu ma, nu ma, nu ma iei
    Chipul tau si dragostea din tei
    Mi-amintesc de ochii tai

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    I say...

    I say "oydi" Of course if I was talking to some old Russian who was looking for sex and was flirting with me, then I would say "Ostaftye menya!"
    The bureaucracy exists to serve the people; the people don't exist to serve the bureaucracy."- N. I. Bukharin

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    оуди ? Что это такое ? Ты хотела "Уйди". А лучше сказать "Пошёл / пошла!"

    У нас есть в нашей школе шутка. Мы говорим " Пошёл ты на ху -лицу!"
    Вот это да, я так люблю себя. И сегодня я люблю себя, ещё больше чем вчера, а завтра я буду любить себя to ещё больше чем сегодня. Тем что происходит,я вполне доволен!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy182
    оуди ? Что это такое ? Ты хотела "Уйди". А лучше сказать "Пошёл / пошла!"

    У нас есть в нашей школе шутка. Мы говорим " Пошёл ты на ху -лицу!"
    Пошёл (на ху is kinda (extremly) rude, especially if you're talking to your mother . More less neutral is Отстань! or Не приставай ко мне!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy182
    У нас есть в нашей школе шутка. Мы говорим " Пошёл ты на ху -лицу!"
    А у нас была "Пошёл ты/Иди на ху-тор бабочек ловить" (хутор - village in Ukrainian)
    Gib immer 100% bei der Arbeit: 12% am Montag, 23% am Dienstag, 40% am Mittwoch, 20% am Donnerstag, 5% am Freitag ...

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    На ху-лицу это круто :)
    Мы в школе как и JJ говорили на ху-тор.
    Сейчас, судя по тому как дети разговаривают на улицах, такое уже не говорят, они говорят как есть.

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    n/a

    оуди ? Что это такое ? Ты хотела "Уйди". А лучше сказать "Пошёл / пошла!"

    У нас есть в нашей школе шутка. Мы говорим " Пошёл ты на ху -лицу!"


    oh please, Dogboy, give me a break. I cannot spell it correctly and you know why. So I have to approximate it. And, when my mother and myself tell each other to "oydi" we only joke.
    Ok, maybe it is a joke at your school. but whatever...
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    you can also say иди отсюда
    Vrei să pleci dar nu ma, nu ma iei
    Nu ma, nu ma iei, nu ma, nu ma, nu ma iei
    Chipul tau si dragostea din tei
    Mi-amintesc de ochii tai

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    (от)вали отсюда

    шлифуй под нары заусениц

    сбрызни

    катись отсюда


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    Quote Originally Posted by alexei
    На ху-лицу это круто
    Мы в школе как и JJ говорили на ху-тор.
    Сейчас, судя по тому как дети разговаривают на улицах, такое уже не говорят, они говорят как есть.
    я конечно еще молодой - но лет 30 назад дети говорили как есть...

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