Hi, I'm pretty new here, this is my second post, so sorry if this question's been asked before. I was wondering, are there any special rules pertaining to case endings? Or do you have to memorize the endings separately for each word?
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Hi, I'm pretty new here, this is my second post, so sorry if this question's been asked before. I was wondering, are there any special rules pertaining to case endings? Or do you have to memorize the endings separately for each word?
Of course there are rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by soadostrich
Heh, for everyword. that would be gay.
No, just for each gender. As there are 3 genders, you must memorize the case ending for each gender.
Sorry, it's emtpy.
And only after that you should memorize a gender, a stress and a склонение(?) for all those words. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Actually, you can define склонение judging by it's ending but sometimes it doesn't work. I found a lot of tables in here.
стул(II), стол(II) - мужской род (masculine)
скамейка(I), табуретка(I), лень(III) - женский род (feminine)
окно(II), яблоко(II) - средний род (neuter)
<table border="1">
<tr>
<td>Вопрос</td>
<td>I</td>
<td>II</td>
<td>III</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>кто? что?</td>
<td>скамейка</td>
<td>стул</td>
<td>лень</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>кого? чего?</td>
<td>скамейки</td>
<td>стула</td>
<td>лени</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>кому? чему?</td>
<td>скамейке</td>
<td>стулу</td>
<td>лени</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>(на) кого? (на) что?</td>
<td>(на) скамейку</td>
<td>(на) стул</td>
<td>(на) лень</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>кем? чем?</td>
<td>скамейкой</td>
<td>стулом</td>
<td>ленью</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>(о) ком? (о) чем?</td>
<td>(о) скамейке</td>
<td>(о) стуле</td>
<td>(о) лени</td>
</tr>
</table>
soadostrich, are you trying to learn Russian without a grammar book? Otherwise it's hard to understand your question.
There are definitely rules, just like, for example, in English we have rules governing how we make a plural from a singular noun. Sometimes we add the /s/ sound (cigarette - cigarettes), sometimes the /z/ (cigar - cigars, roach - roaches), and sometimes something totally off the wall (wife - wives, child - children, hypothesis - hypotheses). Russian is the same way - general rules, with some exceptions. It is many times more difficult because Russian has more than just singular/plural forms, as you are already aware.
Any first-year grammar book should be able to answer your question. This site has a section about learning books, and you could probably find some good recommendations there. I am a tutor in Chapel Hill, and use the book that UNC uses, called Начало, 1 and 2 for the first two years of Russian. They are about $100 a pop, including workbook and tape. Not bad, I would recommend Начало as it also gives you a sense of Russian life as well as its language.
Good luck on your quest! Успехи!
Thanks for your help everyone. I do think it would be a good idea to get a grammar book, so I guess I'll do that.
You don't need a grammar book. I certianly didn't look at one till only about 4 months ago (About a year and a half into learning russian). I managed to learn cases, adjectives, verbs of motion, and all that mumbo jumbo from just the internet... Though, a good dictionary helps.
Wow! I've been working with Russian outside of Russian for more years than you are old and I still have questions with motion verbs!! =:^0Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
I only wish I could live there for a year!
Motion verbs are SO annoying. I often get confused by them and have to think which one to use...
I am teaching my mother how to speak Russian and I taught her how to say "go away" and now she says it to me all the time....she is joking of course, but I know what you mean about those verbs of motion.
When you say "Go away" what do you say?
I say "oydi" Of course if I was talking to some old Russian who was looking for sex and was flirting with me, then I would say "Ostaftye menya!"
оуди ? Что это такое ? Ты хотела "Уйди". А лучше сказать "Пошёл / пошла!"
У нас есть в нашей школе шутка. Мы говорим " Пошёл ты на ху -лицу!" :lol: :lol:
Пошёл (на ху*) is kinda (extremly) rude, especially if you're talking to your mother :oops:. More less neutral is Отстань! or Не приставай ко мне!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
А у нас была "Пошёл ты/Иди на ху-тор бабочек ловить" :) (хутор - village in Ukrainian)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
На ху-лицу это круто :)
Мы в школе как и JJ говорили на ху-тор.
Сейчас, судя по тому как дети разговаривают на улицах, такое уже не говорят, они говорят как есть.
оуди ? Что это такое ? Ты хотела "Уйди". А лучше сказать "Пошёл / пошла!"
У нас есть в нашей школе шутка. Мы говорим " Пошёл ты на ху -лицу!"
oh please, Dogboy, give me a break. I cannot spell it correctly and you know why. So I have to approximate it. And, when my mother and myself tell each other to "oydi" we only joke.
Ok, maybe it is a joke at your school. but whatever...
you can also say иди отсюда
(от)вали отсюда
шлифуй под нары заусениц
сбрызни
катись отсюда
:oops:
я конечно еще молодой - но лет 30 назад дети говорили как есть...Quote:
Originally Posted by alexei
Это где говорили как есть? В СССР я не помню чтобы в школе матом ругались, да и во дворе никогда не кричали на полулицы матом, в деревне да, бывало, но не в городе. А сейчас я довольно часто слышу как дети используют мат направо и налево не замечая/смущаясь что рядом взрослые.Quote:
Originally Posted by DP
пожалуйста - середина-конец 70-х, Москва (место действия в районе: Дворец Пионеров - 4 спецшколы - Универмаг Москва +/-)... конечно не кричали на всю улицу :wink: ... но в своей компании-то :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by alexei
Dogboy: У нас есть в нашей школе шутка
You do not need "наша" here. If you write "у нас" then it already implies that it is in your school.
У нас в школе есть шутка.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DenisM
I know, trust me. I know.
I know, trust me... I know.Quote:
You do not need "наша" here. If you write "у нас" then it already implies that it is in your school.
У нас в школе есть шутка.
never!Quote:
Originally Posted by Svetlana
Actually i was just saying it's probly better to just say пошла, because it's more general. It can be mean ПОШЛА! or playful пошла *giggle* or anywhere inbetween. Where уйти sounds like you're telling someone to go somewhere. If someone said it to me
Ты уйди ! i'd be like
"ok мне куда?"
but if someone said пошёл ты! i'd know they ment go away
(and they dont care where... just go).
Also for like "let's go" I dont think people would say ушли they say пошли. So, its probly just better to get into the habbit of using пойдти in the first place.
:?: huhwha? lets not confuse beginners
Sorry, but I just had to laugh :p Keep up the good work.Quote:
Originally Posted by soadostrich