Thread: Racist spelling bee

Originally Posted by LXNDR

this is wrong pronunciation, it's inconvenient and runs counter Russian phonetic principles

vocalizing devocalized consonants sounds like an accent in Russian

No. Anybody I know (I live in Moscow) will pronounce them vocalized. Pronouncing "код" as "кот" would sound plainly wrong and indeed confusing.

I think it's unnatural for Russian speaker to vocalize "д" in "код". We may force this sound sometimes to distinct between these words, but in relaxed speech there is no difference in pronunciation.

Originally Posted by xdns

I think it's unnatural for Russian speaker to vocalize "д" in "код". We may force this sound sometimes to distinct between these words, but in relaxed speech there is no difference in pronunciation.

In quick speech there may indeed be no difference (in such speech the vocalization most likely depends on the following word). But in slow, distinct speech there is certain difference. Example of pronounciation of "код" in Russian at 1:03 here: Генетический код - YouTube

Well I have just re-analyzed myself and actually I can say that I will vocalize the final "т" in "кот" if it is followed by a voiced consonant. Like in "кот занимался" or "кот добежал". That said the pronunciation of the words may depend on the following word, but separately of any context or at the end of a speech the words would be pronounced differently.

If an English speaker it told to always pronounce "т" even before a voiced consonant he would be sounding very weird. I advise just to forget about this rule as non-constructive and not helping.

Originally Posted by Anixx

If an English speaker it told to always pronounce "т" even before a voiced consonant he would be sounding very weird. I advise just to forget about this rule as non-constructive and not helping.

can you give an example of a phrase where this rule in your opinion is counter productive?

Originally Posted by Anixx

Well I have just re-analyzed myself and actually I can say that I will vocalize the final "т" in "кот" if it is followed by a voiced consonant. Like in "кот занимался" or "кот добежал". That said the pronunciation of the words may depend on the following word, but separately of any context or at the end of a speech the words would be pronounced differently.

If an English speaker it told to always pronounce "т" even before a voiced consonant he would be sounding very weird. I advise just to forget about this rule as non-constructive and not helping.

Вы как говорите: "гот от года" или "год от года"? Наверное, первое. Вы пишете неправильные утверждения под влиянием орфографии.

Originally Posted by Marcus

Вы как говорите: "гот от года" или "год от года"? Наверное, первое. Вы пишете неправильные утверждения под влиянием орфографии.

Еще раз предлагаю вам послушать звукозапись, которую я привел выше. Произношу в зависимости от того, звонкая ли последующая согласная. Как вы произносите "год здоровья"?

Originally Posted by Anixx

Еще раз предлагаю вам послушать звукозапись, которую я привел выше. Произношу в зависимости от того, звонкая ли последующая согласная. Как вы произносите "год здоровья"?

При чем тут год здоровья?
В таких случаях и кот звучит как код, но в сильной позиции произносится глухой звук.

Originally Posted by Marcus

При чем тут год здоровья?
В таких случаях и кот звучит как код, но в сильной позиции произносится глухой звук.

Об этом и речь - звонкость определяется последующим согласным звуком. Но отдельно произнесенное слово будет иметь звонкость как пишется.