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упс! я сказал "я вижу", я хотел сказать "я живу".
много ошибот граматических, даже не хочется разбирать. cursive is fine.
Красивый почерк, к сожалению никогда не выучила как читать такие!
same with my Hebrew:pardon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valda
by the way, d u mean WA state? If so, you want to say Я живу в штате Вашингтон. Otherwise, я живу в городе Вашингтон.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXHoax
Your Cyrillic handwriting is very good, but I would recommend one important change: the letters л, м, and я should ALWAYS begin with a small "hook" -- i.e., a little point or upward "bump" in the pen-stroke. Putting in this little hook/point/bump is especially important when one of these letters is in the middle of a word and is joined to the letter that comes before it. They're not just for decoration; they make it easier to distinguish the letters. (A cursive л without a "hook" can look too much like a cursive г, for example.)
Here's an example that I found on the Internet -- it's actually a Russian example of a "pangram", i.e., a sentence that uses every letter of the alphabet. (Which makes it a good practice exercise to learn touch-typing on a Cyrillic keyboard, too.)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n1DS8J5x3h...ll-letters.gif
Note that in the words мягких (line 2) and булок (line 3), you can clearly see the "hooks" I'm talking about.
P.S. If you have trouble viewing the image, it says: Съешь же ещё этих мягких французких булок да выпей чаю!
Which you can translate as "Eat up some more of these soft French loaves 'n' drink some tea!" :tea:
Capital T is incorrect,
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some longer words lack some strokes (грамматика, for example).
Personally I am waiting with impatience when hand writing is prohibited. I get a stress every time I have to take a pen.
Good work xXHoax!
@ McGee. Those hooks just solved my biggest issue with learning to use script. It was a nightmare dealing with г, и, л, м, and ш in single words. I'm definitely gonna start using those hooks.
by the way, you don't have to connect the letters, it's possible to use them separately if it's easier (i.e. the connection lines between the letters are not a must, they just happen to be there as a natural way of writing by natives and with them the writing looks natural).
Thanks for that information, Alexsms. I already found 2 lower-case letters that I probably won't connect - у and д. They look like the english y and g and I never connect those when I write in english script.
I got determined to learn Russian script when I noticed that in text messages on Russian holiday cards, sometimes letters looked like script - the г, и, and т.
I also noticed on the 50 let Pobedy icebreaker, the л looks like the script л and the д is pointed at the top.
But it got really strange when I was trying to read Russian commemorative coins. That's when I learned about the old Church Slavonic alphabet. Now I can read the coins too.
Russian Writing (Mouse over a letter to see an animation of how it is written.)
http://nekin.info/pro/text-primo/primo-demo-black.pdf
http://jirafenok.ru/wp-content/uploa...eniya-bukv.jpg
In my first-year college Russian class, we were taught that the "hooks" are absolutely mandatory. True, when native Russians are writing cursive in a quick-and-sloppy way, the hooks can be difficult to see, but they are not entirely omitted -- at the very least, there's a bit of an upward wiggle in the pen stroke.Quote:
Originally Posted by UhOhXplode
On the other hand, it's NOT mandatory -- but many people would recommend it -- to put a horizontal line over the m (i.e., the cursive т) and also under the cursive ш and щ. And some people put a very short horizontal stroke through the middle of the cursive ж, but as far as I know, this is less common.
Also, one other non-mandatory suggestion for xXHoax and other learners: As a beginner, try to get in the habit of marking the stressed vowels. Yes, native Russians don't use these accent marks except in the rarest cases (e.g., with newly borrowed foreign words), but it will help you learn pronunciation of words as well as sentence intonation when you're just starting out. For example, here's that pangram sentence with the stressed vowels underlined:
Съешь же ещё этих мягких французких булок да выпей чаю!
Notice that when the one-syllable word да means "yes", it is always stressed -- when it's unstressed, the meaning is "and" or "but" or sometimes "let it be so" (Да будет свет, "Let there be light!"). On the other hand, the one-syllable emphatic particle же is NEVER stressed, as far as I know, while one-syllable pronoun forms such as я/мне, ты, он/им, ей, мы/нас/нам, вы/вас/вам, тот/та, etc., are ALWAYS stressed.
(The point is that it's a good idea for beginners to mark stress in one-syllable words, too, although many dictionaries only use stress marks with words of more than one syllable.)
P.S. Here's an image that shows the horizontal line over the lower-case т and under the lower-case ш (again, these are OPTIONAL, but recommended for easier reading) and also including the two variants for lower-case д (you can write it either as "g" or "a backwards 6").
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...andwritten.jpg
I greatly recommend this page because the animations show you the ideal order to make the pen strokes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
I've never heard this one before, but the lyrics were surprisingly suggestive (for an old folk song, I mean!), and reminded me just a little bit of the Everly Brothers ditty "Wake Up, Little Susie"! ("Whatta we gonna tell your mama? / Whatta we gonna tell your pa? / Whatta we gonna tell our friends when they say 'Ooh-la-la'?")Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Anyway, beginners won't recognize some of the words, so here's a transcription and my translation:
Русская народная песня "Шумел камыш"
Russian folk song "The cattails/water-reeds were rustling (lit. "making noise")"
Исполняет Надежда Кадышева
Performed by Nadezhda Kadysheva
Шумел камыш, The cattails were rustling
Деревья гнулись The trees were bending over
А ночка тёмная была And the night was dark.
Одна возлюбленная пара A certain couple in love
Всю ночь [Spent] the whole night
Гуляла до утра Strolling until morning.
А поутру они проснулись And in the morning they woke up
Кругом помятая трава Around [them in a circle], the grass was disheveled/crushed
Там не одна трава помята And not only the grass there was disheveled
Помята девячья краса The damsel's beauty was disheveled, [too].
(NB: Video seems to have a typo -- девячья should be "девичья", if I'm not mistaken!!!)
Иду домой, а дома спросят: I'm going home [she said] and at home they'll ask:
"Где ночь гуляла, с кем была?" "Where were you strolling [all] night, who were you with?"
А я скажу: "В саду гуляла, And I'll say: "I was strolling in the garden,
Домой тропинки не нашла." "And couldn't find the path home."
Variation of a theme :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Знает только ночь глубокая,
Как поладили они.
Распрямись ты, рожь высокая,
Тайну свято сохрани!
Only the deep night knows,
What they agreed upon.
Straighten up now, oh tall rye,
And keep their secret scrupulously!
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Ещё эту песню можно назвать застольной. Её хорошо петь после застолья.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
I was trying to figure out the best English translation for "застольная песня", so I did a YouTube search for the phrase. This famous number from La Traviata was one of the top hits:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCPIoI9jIGc
(В ролике, украинский театр оперы исполняет "Травиату". В начале видео, показывается на экране за певцами русский перевод итальянского текста!)
Thus, although застолье means "banquet" or "feast," the phrase застольная песня should probably be translated as "a drinking song".
:beer: -- "Либьямо, либьямо, не льети каличи..."
застольная песня is a song (often its author can't be traced back) typically sung when people eat and drink at a holiday party, gathering. They are generally simple and traditional (it is often claimed that the author of such a song is PEOPLE - народ, and it can be called народная песня which is a more generic term), but a melody can be beautiful. The themes are often some events in Russian history, Russian nature, they may be sad or cheerful.
The classic example is Ой, мороз-мороз. Ой, мороз мороз - Oi, moroz moroz - YouTube
Some famous songs in this genre can be performed by эстрадные артисты (исполнители), хоровые ансамбли (folk bands) on the stage, so it's generally in the category of народная музыка.
As for Traviata (opera) it is probably a feast song (Western type), the same term has been used, but the meaning is different from traditional Russian застольная.
Застольная песня потому и застольная, что её поют не после, а во время застолья.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Тогда после того, как выпьют.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
Пить тоже не обязательно, нужно только сидеть за столом, когда поешь :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Nice catch with the Everly Bros. I was wondering about that song being risque too, but you nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Also people can note the way Lampada wrote her lowercase т, just one stem with the crossbar. I always write it that way, ever since high school (back when the Everly Bros were in vogue).
They are a bit slow for their calligraphical part but for the alphabet they are ok:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vWY8YIijY
The next parts of the series are also in youtube. For the other ones you need to check this site. For the last videos though you need to pay one dollar I think...
I do not recommend their language practice in texts and audio (my personal preferance) but their videos are quite good.
Hmmm... as we all know, the last stanza of "Ой, мороз-мороз" has the words "Напою жену, обниму коня", so I think it must be a drinking song!))))))))))Quote:
Originally Posted by alexsms
I have downloaded the english cursive pages, after coming across a cursive handwriting book. i did not want to buy it so i downloaded cursive writing and printed them on printer. first i printed each page on a4 so i can draw them very easily and also printed the two pages on one page, for a second time. so now i am practicing writing english cursive, because my english teacher in school did not feel like it’s important. i even asked the english teacher about cursive english and they said that written type english is enough. and many teachers write english without cursive.
except it takes a lot of time, so i practice writing when i feel like it and when i have time. some of the letters are surprising in the way they are written such as small f, and capital G, but makes perfect sense from writing them.
i attach pdf link here for anyone who is interested or for whatever http://www.aquariancharterschool.com...%20Cursive.pdf
after writing in english i actually stopped writing russian in cursive.
:shock: What? Do you mean you’ve heard the words ‘I’ll make my wife drunk in order to hug a mare’? I can’t believe such stanza exists anywhere. Please correct me with the link or some other proof if you can. The standard words are as follows, “Обниму жену, напою коня” (I’ll hug my wife and water my horse”.(1:41) and nothing else. Given the wrong premise, the conclusion may be incorrect just as well.)))Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpWYBx6Yjcg
Ой, мороз, мороз — Википедия
Do I really need to explain you the russian joke, told you by an american, who definitely understands it? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by diogen_
Do you know what Freudian slip ("оговорка по Фрейду") means and how many jokes based on in exists?
Lampada "k" is written extremely slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
I think there is another way to write it more quickly when you connect the letters.
Is there a picture with arrows showing how to write k quickly in a word?
