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    Russian "L"

    Where does the Russian non-soft "L" fall? Even un-palatalized it sounds a tad squashed.

    It sounds like it also involves the throat a bit.

    Having trouble getting it out, for some reason. The Arabic "L" is never palatalized, that may be the reason. And English "L" isn't *quite* on par, I think.

    Food for thought: My Arabic interferes more in Russian acquisition than my L1 English. I think that's where my trouble is with this "L"; Arabic L is mostly always a flap, the throat passive.
    исправьте мои ошибки :P

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    no special throat work...it's just a sonant....dental one...
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    Digging up an old thread, but I have a question. To me, the "L" in russian always sounds like the "L" i am used to in English. In Bulgarian, however, it often gets softened to sound almost like a "W", especially in the middle of words. If you've ever heard a Bulgarian speak english, you can get a laugh out of this phrase:

    "We went camping and roasted marshmawwows."

    Anyway, the point is...does Russian ever do this with the "L"s?

    (I don't mean to offend anybody, I just thought it was funny when I heard my wife say this once.)
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    I don't think it's possible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    I don't think it's possible...
    I didn't think so. And I'm glad...it's rather annoying, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum
    In Bulgarian, however, it often gets softened to sound almost like a "W", especially in the middle of words.
    The Polish L is so too. Just like English W.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum
    In Bulgarian, however, it often gets softened to sound almost like a "W", especially in the middle of words.
    The Polish L is so too. Just like English W.
    Polish Ł to be exact, yes, it does sound a lot like English "w" in "window". L sounds more or less like Eng "L" :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamka
    Polish Ł to be exact, yes, it does sound a lot like English "w" in "window". L sounds more or less like Eng "L" :P
    Да, да, я забыла крючочек поставить.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Не похоже на крючочек.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Не похоже на крючочек.
    Я эту штуку так называю. Если писать "рукописными" буквами, то похоже.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Я тоже не знаю. Однако есть фонетический l с крючочком, как письменный.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Да, да, я забыла крючочек поставить.
    What is this word: "крючочек"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum
    What is this word: "крючочек"
    It is крючок (hook) with a diminutive-hypocoristic-endearment suffix.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum
    What is this word: "крючочек"
    It is крючок (hook) with a diminutive-hypocoristic-endearment suffix.
    So you're just saying that you forgot to put the little hooky-thingy on the "L"?
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    It's not a hook. The hook is on the letters ą ę. The Ł has a bar through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum
    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum
    What is this word: "крючочек"
    It is крючок (hook) with a diminutive-hypocoristic-endearment suffix.
    So you're just saying that you forgot to put the little hooky-thingy on the "L"?
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaika
    It's not a hook. The hook is on the letters ą ę. The Ł has a bar through it.
    Ok, I don't know, if it is hook or not, I just named it "крючок" and said that если писать "рукописными" буквами, то похоже [на крючок]. And that я эту штуку так называю.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    [quote:hkfby0d1]What is this word: "крючочек"
    It is крючок (hook) with a diminutive-hypocoristic-endearment suffix.[/quote:hkfby0d1]
    It is “крюк” (hook) with TWO diminutive suffixes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Паук
    [quote:3ogbdw9v]What is this word: "крючочек"
    It is крючок (hook) with a diminutive-hypocoristic-endearment suffix.
    It is “крюк” (hook) with TWO diminutive suffixes![/quote:3ogbdw9v]

    No, there is only ONE suffix, "-очек".
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