Pronunciation of -ете (at end of вы verbs)

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Originally Posted by scotcher

For all its problems, I still think for a complete beginner 'zna-yet-ye' is the most useful (or least potentially misleading) approximation of the pronunciation.

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I agree. It's hard to tell how advanced the OP is, though.

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Originally Posted by scotcher

For all its problems, I still think for a complete beginner 'zna-yet-ye' is the most useful (or least potentially misleading) approximation of the pronunciation.

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I disagree. Even a beginner should not be bound to the patterns of his native language 'for the sake of simplicity', or he ends up with something like

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1-One (pronounced o-ne)
2-Tsuwo
3-Fuee
4-Fuuru
5-Fube
6-Shiku
7-Sebenu
8-Eigufutsu
9-Nine (pronounces ni-ne)
10-Tenu

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Originally Posted by vox05

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Originally Posted by scotcher

For all its problems, I still think for a complete beginner 'zna-yet-ye' is the most useful (or least potentially misleading) approximation of the pronunciation.

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I disagree. Even a beginner should not be bound to the patterns of his native language 'for the sake of simplicity',

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That's not what we're saying. Obviously, a beginner should try to pronounce the words as closely as possible to native speech, however, the vast majority won't be able to, so it's a question of managing the deficiency for the sake of being understood. Recommending that a beginner articulate the individual sounds of a word in a way that might sound unnatural to native speakers is sometimes the quickest and best way of teaching that student to speak intelligibly.

It's a little funny when the native speakers are debating over whether it should be 'zna-it-i' or 'zna-it-e', when the typical beginner is going to pronounce either one as знайты.

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Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

Recommending that a beginner articulate the individual sounds of a word in a way that might sound unnatural to native speakers is sometimes the quickest and best way of teaching that student to speak intelligibly.

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It's borderline to pronouncing 'th' like in 'rathole'. Articulating.

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It's a little funny when the native speakers are debating over whether it should be 'zna-it-i' or 'zna-it-e', when the typical beginner is going to pronounce either one as знайты.

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I guess it may vary for the beginners over the rest of the world. And if they have no speaking sample and reluctant to learn IPA - ... ?

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Originally Posted by vox05

It's borderline to pronouncing 'th' like in 'rathole'. Articulating.

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It is? Will all due respect, that's not articulating, that's just pronouncing it wrong. Over-articulating a word would be to pronounce 'rathole' with a strongly audible 'h'. A bit stilted and unnatural sounding, but completely understandable, and a much better choice than trying to sound like a fluent native when your tongue is not capable of making the correct sounds, and having it come out sounding like 'rattle'.