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How do you pronounce вы, as in "вы говорите пo-русски?"
When I listen to my Pimsleur audio lessons, вы sounds like 'voo' to me, but I would think that from it's spelling it would be pronounced 'vegh' or 'vi' or something to that effect; (the ы sound is hard for me to transliterate, but I've definitely learned that it is not an 'oo' sound, as seems to be the case in the Pimsleur audio pronunciation.)
No, it is not 'oo', of course. It's closer to 'ee' (Russian и), but it is not 'ee'. I'll try to display the difference to you with two examples:
1. If you say "It is bla bla bla, is it?", the joint of s and i sounds completely like Russian зы (and the з is hard).
2. If you say "Zealand", the 'zea' sounds completely like Russian зи (and the з is soft).
I know, it's always hard to explain how Russian 'ы' sounds... Well, generally, it's like the 'i' in this, it, fit and so on...
And try to draw back your tongue pronouncing [i] here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
I've alwais wondered how could a nation, which have in it's language sound like "Ы", consider itself cultural!
Explain yourself, please!
SoftPretzel -
What Rtyom says is a good start. Try pronouncing "ee" (as in "eel"). Notice where the tip of your tongue is, towards the front. Now try the same sound but pull the tip of your tongue back and to the bottom of your mouth.
Also check out videos from Uncledavey, he goes over pronounciation of the alphabet and has a great image of your mouth, and where your tongue is for each vowel. I found it very helpful.
http://www.youtube.com/user/usenetposts
noheat, thank you very much for that advice. The tongue thing seems to work well to emulate the sound I've noticed in my audio lessons, although it seems a bit unnatural to me.
It's close to the English vowel in will, bill, sill, sit, sh*t, lit, knit. In my dialect, anyway (AmE).
wow, so much great advice from everyone! these are great forums :)
Russian "ы" sounds like mumblings of a primitive (primeval) man.
Strange though it may seem, one indian told me that (jokingly).
I wonder if this explanation makes any sense to a native English speaker? Just of curiosity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
I can't agree with your first statement. It's close, but nowhere near "completely like ..". :pardon:
I mean if you pronounce "is" and "it" without a pause, together, as a solid word.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
to answer your question, Olya, yes it makes perfect sense, and the vowel in "is it" sounds exactly like the vowel in the words I quoted above. The first syll. of Zebra and Zeke sound the same as Zealand.
Я поняла, но произнеси "is it", а потом сразу "ыт". Да и просто произнеси "изыт" как это бы сказал человек, который не знает английского. Разница очевидная! В "it" будет более деликатный звук (что-то вроде прибалтийского акцента получается), а русское "ы" более грубое и ниже в горле. Мне так кажется...Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
А что, все остальные действительно думают, что "i" в "is it" звучит совершенно по-русски? :?
[quote=Оля]I wonder if this explanation makes any sense to a native English speaker? Just of curiosity...[/quote:p34liyig]Quote:
Originally Posted by "Оля":p34liyig
It does. :-D That was actually more helpful than the pronounciation guide in my book.
Видимо, я не так произношу либо английское is it, либо русское ы. :-) Для меня изыт звучит так же (ну или почти так же), как is it. Я вообще всегда удивляюсь, когда иностранцам советуют засовывать язык куда-то подальше в горло, а иногда еще и корчить страшные гримасы, чтобы произнести "ы". Я, например, при произнесении этого звука язык глубоко в горло не засовываю, и вообще произношу его без всякого напряжения горла (ну то есть, напряжение есть, но такое же, как и при произнесении других звуков).Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
Я тоже не понимаю всех этих хитромудрых советов, особенно с иллюстрациями из анатомии. )))Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
Помню, давали тут совет произносить "и", держа карандаш в зубах. Я на себе поэкспериментировала, и выяснила, что "и" прекрасно произносится и с карандашом, но вот если при этом стараться не шевелить языком, то выходит неплохое "ы"!
"Ы" is like a mix of "u" and "i". I like call the "bi" letter because it looks like english "bi," and it goes both ways!
Anyway, here's a LONG example of how "ы" is pronounced, the sound here is extended so you can hear how it sounds like in the first part of this song.
"за два часа до темнотыыыыыы
когда закончится играааа.
Я перешёл с тобой на "тыыыыыыы"
а ты осталась до утраааа" (с)
The differences are slight, but Russian ы and English i are not the same sound. In English the tongue is more towards the front of the mouth, and slightly raised compared to the Russian. IMHO. (я не фонетист).
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Selexin
I feel the sound really is all in the back of the throat with the back of your tongue. I had the hardest time for a while pronouncing ы but it's all a matter of listening to native speakers and imitating the sound. It may feel awkward and unnatural at first, but as you continue to imitate the sound it will come naturally so you won't have to try as hard.
If you've learnt Latin, then it's the "oe"sound.
Slightly similar to the English "ecrU".
Which Russian sound do you mean? If "ы", it is not like "oe". As far as I know, Latin "oe" is like German "ö". It is not like Russian "ы" AT ALL.Quote:
Originally Posted by bolsoj