How is Boukreev pronounced?

someone said "boo kray ev"

someone else said "boo kreev"

someone else said "boo ke reev".

I logged on to yahoo answers and someone there said "Book-r-YE-yev".

How do you say an r and a y at the same time?

Write his name in Russian. Probably he is pronounced /bu'krʲejif/ or /bu'krʲeif/.

It would rhyme with Будкеев. You can hear it here: Высоцкий: "Удар, удар, ещё удар.."-3- Песенка боксёра-1968. - YouTube

Book-r-YE-yev - is fine. That's how it is pronounced in Russian. The correct spelling I think should be Bukreev or Bukreyev (according to transliteration rules), because Putin is spelled Putin , not Poutin or Pootin.

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Book-r-YE-yev - is fine. That's how it is pronounced in Russian.

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Really? That's probably an unknown dialect.

:) As far as I understand, Boukreev = Букреев , so it's Book-r-YE-yev (to me, as as speaker of Russian, the pronunciation and the stress are correct, and I see no other way a Russian could pronounce it).

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As far as I understand, Boukreev = Букреев , so it's Book-r-YE-yev (to me, as as speaker of Russian, the pronunciation and the stress are correct, and I see no other way a Russian could pronounce it).

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I see. /bu'krʲejif/ or /bu'krʲeif/.
For example I don't pronounce voiced consonants at the end of words. Also I reduce unstressed vowels. krye is not convenient to pronounce either.

Book-re-yif
or
Book-re-if

Middle syllable is stressed.

The first vowel is pronounced as u in "put".

Marcus, I don't think you are pronouncing English "put" correctly. The first vowel in букреев is a long u-sound, as in English words boot (not book), or suit or soon. "put" has a short vowel, as in soot or look. don't you just love English spelling??!!

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Originally Posted by alexsms

Book-r-YE-yev - is fine. That's how it is pronounced in Russian. The correct spelling I think should be Bukreev or Bukreyev (according to transliteration rules), because Putin is spelled Putin , not Poutin or Pootin.

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Really? That's probably an unknown dialect.

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"Book-r-YE-yev" here you wrote "ye" separately of the preceding "r" that implies separate pronunciation, which in turn comes to "ye" been pronounced as in "yes" with "i the short" consonant just after "r". While it should be pronounced like "re" (ре) not "r-ye" (рье).

If Marcus were not so sarcastic it would be of more help to the forum users to understand the subject.

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Originally Posted by Marcus

I see. /bu'krʲejif/ or /bu'krʲeif/.
For example I don't pronounce voiced consonants at the end of words. Also I reduce unstressed vowels. krye is not convenient to pronounce either.

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Oh, Marcus, sorry, you are right here. It must be [f] at the end. We, Russians, just don't think about it (it's just ingrained in our brain) and often forget it: ALL consonants MUST be VOICELESS at the end, that's a phonetic rule (we just do it automatically since we have been taught to speak). Definitely, it is [f].

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Originally Posted by chaika

Marcus, I don't think you are pronouncing English "put" correctly. The first vowel in букреев is a long u-sound, as in English words boot (not book), or suit or soon. "put" has a short vowel, as in soot or look. don't you just love English spelling??!!

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chaika,
long vowels don't exist in the Russian language, and so do short vowels. All vowels in Russian have neutral length. I'd say Russian [у] as in утро is longer than [u] as in put, but shorter than oo [u:] as in boot.

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Originally Posted by alexsms

chaika,
long vowels don't exist in the Russian language, and so do short vowels. All vowels in Russian have neutral length. I'd say Russian [у] as in утро is longer than [u] as in put, but shorter than oo [u:] as in boot.

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Stressed vowels are always longer than unstressed. Prestressed is longer than other unstressed. The English sound [u:] can be probably found after soft consonants in stressed syllables. Because Russian у is a more back sound.

Forgetting about length, the u-sound in букреев is closer to the u-sound in BOOT than the u-sound in BOOK.
I don't pronounce the u-sound in Russian утро any different than the u-sound in English boot. I guess that is just a thing that adds to my accent. =:^)

thanks.

I t hink it's easier to pronounce the y sound after a *rolled* r.

Carol

Oh, since I don't have sound, I cant' use the audio features.

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Originally Posted by CarolUSA44

thanks.

I t hink it's easier to pronounce the y sound after a *rolled* r.

Carol

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There is no "y" sound in this word. In Russian a palatalized r (soft) is pronounced here. In English one can pronounce a usual r. I have already written the exact pronunciation.

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Originally Posted by Marcus

There is no "y" sound in this word. In Russian a palatalized r (soft) is pronounced here. In English one can pronounce a usual r. I have already written the exact pronunciation.

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thanks. I meant a "y" sound like in "yes". Not like a long "i".

In Russian, the r is not rolled then?

Carol

also, I am curious. In Yahoo Answers, I also noticed that they told me "Book-r-YE-yev-v". Is the "v" very stressed or dragged out?

Thanks.

I think (phonetized into English) like this: Bookré-yev

As you probably know, the accent means that the emphasis is on the "e" with the accent.
The R is always rolled in Russian, there is no other type of "R".

You can test this by going to forvo.com and upload the word, with its Russian spelling, Букреев and a native speaker will pronounce it for you.

delete that Yahoo answer it is totally weird.
the word had three syllables, viz
бу pronounced like what a ghost says -- boo!
кре rolled R, which is palatalized (slight y-glide) before the letter e pronounced like the e in "yet"
ев pronounced like yeff sounds like Jeff with a y-glide as in "yet"
The middle syllable is louder, i.e., it is the stressed syllable.
There are some slight differences in real pronunciation that what I can express here

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Originally Posted by chaika

delete that Yahoo answer it is totally weird.
the word had three syllables, viz
бу pronounced like what a ghost says -- boo!
кре rolled R, which is palatalized (slight y-glide) before the letter e pronounced like the e in "yet"
ев pronounced like yeff sounds like Jeff with a y-glide as in "yet"
The middle syllable is louder, i.e., it is the stressed syllable.
There are some slight differences in real pronunciation that what I can express here

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Язык отвалится после "к" и "р" еще и "й" произносить, поэтому надо менять согласную "р" радикальным образом. Последняя гласная редуцируется и превращается во что-то типа краткого "и".
Ударный слог, в первую очередь, длиннее безударных.
Я был, по-видимому, неправ по поводу русского и английского "у". Основная разница в том, что при произнесении английского oo губы не округляются, в отличие от русского.

My pronunciation of Букреев
Яндекс.Народ

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All the computer-generated speech I have heard sounds weird, I would not recommend it as a way to learn pronuciation.

>при произнесении английского oo губы не округляются
неправильно. Округляются тоже на английском.

as they say "на безрыбье и рак - рыба" it's still better than nothing or theorizing and trying to figure it out through transliteration into the Latin alphabet

at least Букреев it pronounces accurately

I like chalka's explanation.

And thanks for the others.

Not having sound does make it very difficult.

Carol