Can anyone help me learn how to pronounce such (unstressed) endings of words? I use a textbook but it doesn't say how to pronounce such words. :(
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Can anyone help me learn how to pronounce such (unstressed) endings of words? I use a textbook but it doesn't say how to pronounce such words. :(
You can try to use the google translator.
Oh that's really nice! To my ears though, -яя and -ее sound pretty much the same. :D Guess I'll have to listen to it a couple of 100 times.
Yes, maybe you should add -ие into the mix. осенние, for example.
It might help. Also, perhaps listening to songs could be helpful and more fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjoasja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=45&v=B6bPvsFUKms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGrZ12Eb4M
ЭТО ЗДОРОВО - НИКОЛАЙ НОСКОВ
Eta Zdorova - Nikolai Noskov
with Lyrics!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVmafGu6X9U
Владимир Высоцкий - КОНИ ПРИВЕРЕДЛИВЫЕ
("Skittish" Horses)
LYRICS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCfHg1i6zAs&list=PLF04801A091913BCB&am p;index= 25
Я СВОБОДЕН -- Кипелов Валерий
with lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo9eaqMuGYo
"Шумел камыш" текст
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGsD20hB0M
"Опера № 2"
Витас
текст
Unstressed endings can be pronounced identically. It’s not your ears’ fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjoasja
Wow, thanks for all the videos! Really helpful :) Would осенние sound different then осеннее?
Yeah I feel like the unstressed endings sound very identical. Same with -oe -ая endings when unstressed. I guess it's just a matter of practice and listening.
They are all different, this is what endings are good for .
May be you will want to hear some clips with the media player able to slow down videos, VLC for example.
Start with loud and clear pronunciation, where difference is obvious. Practice and you will end with fluent speech, where unstressed vowels are degraded to some kind of "unclear sounds". It is biology and physics of mouth and language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjoasja
Loud and clear pronounciation makes sense to get a better feeling for it. I might record myself a couple of times and post it here. Maybe someone can then tell me how far off my pronounciation still is :)
осеннее as-sen-n'i-ji
осенние as-sen-n'i-ji
осеннии as-sen-ni-i
осенняя as-sen-n'uh-juh
я
This is how i imagine saying it. -ие -ее the same, whereas the -ии wouldn't have the Y-sound for the last vowel. And the -яя would be the schwa sound of fathEr, with the last vowel a Y-sound to it.
When pronouncing extremely accurately — maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv
осеннее, осенние and осеннии all are [ɐsʲenʲ:ɪ.ɪ] for me. (Reduced a, soft s, stressed e, soft long n, short i and short i again)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjoasja
The difference can appear only when I pronounce them slowly, sound by sound.
осенняя is [ɐsʲenʲ:ɪjə], with the first я reduced to [ɪ]. But [ɐsʲenʲ:əjə] sounds good as well.
Thanks for all the tips people :) It's quite helpful. I do find it difficult to find out how well I am speaking and pronounciating the language. I recorded myself reading a short text from the russian penguin course, would someone be willing to listen to it and give me some feedback? I am wondering how easy it is to understand me, how annoying/thick my accent is, and well basically things to improve really!
The recording you can find on the following URL.
Vocaroo | Voice message
I read the following text.
Attachment 1206
With little effort I can understand everything.
In some words your Ч sounds like Ц. You could work on this sound:
мальчик pronunciation: How to pronounce мальчик in Russian
A few errors which might be accidental: бил instead был, Серёжа sounds almost as Сериоза etc
(Серёжа is on Forvo too)
Ah - I'm glad to hear that it's understandable :) I guess I will always have an accent, but as long as it doesn't get in the way of understanding it's ok. I listened to the recording a few times myself and can definitely agree on the points you mentioned. Interestingly, I wouldn't have recognized these mistakes if you haven't raised it first.
Я рад что ты понимаешь меня. По-моему у меня всегда есть акцент, но если все панимают меня, это нет проблема. Я слушал аудизаписи, а я соглашаюсь с тобой о твоём отзыве.
(might as well try to write more and more in russian, hehehe)
> Я рад что ты понимаешь меня.
Probably "Я рад, что вы понимаете меня." is more appropriate here and now. Russian etiquette insists on the use of plural "вы" (including grammatical case of depended words) if you talk with unknown (not well-known) man. "Ты" is "familiar form" used with friends, family, well-known people and so on. It is not problem now, while you are learning, but this should be learned in first lessons. :)
> Я слушал аудизаписи, а я соглашаюсь с тобой о твоём отзыве.
"Я слушал аудизаписи и я согласен с твоим отзывом."
Particle ", а" here is something like "but" in english. "Opposition". "I listen, BUT..." implied "I do not agree". Same here. "and"-"и" is ok.
"соглашаюсь" is imperfect form. Sounds strange. I think it is something like "I am agreeing with you" in english... but I do not know english well. :) Perfect form "согласен" is ok here.
"с твоим отзывом" is shorter and sound more natural also.
Алэх (саша?)
Спасибо! Your feedback makes a lot of sense. :) So.... Я согласен с твоим отзывом! ))
I still have to get used to using the imperfective and perfective verbs :) But I'll get it down, sooner or later.
