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    Double consonants/ Gemination

    Here's something I still haven't been able to pick out of hearing speech

    к горке

    How do Russians pronounce the first few sounds here?
    Is it a double length г sound
    or a к with a short breath followed by горке

    Also, exactly how taboo is it to add o's to prepositions that most Russians normally wouldn't add, whether in speech or writing?
    ко горке
    Со днём рождения!

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    К горке, к кому-то - если говорить с нормальной, средней скоростью, то к не услышишь.

    Вот нашлось подходящее выражение (ни к селу ни к городу):
    https://forvo.com/word/%D0%BD%D0%B8_...0%B4%D1%83/#ru



    https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%BA_%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%83_%D0%B D%D0%B8_%D0%BA_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8 3
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    Well, I guess in that case that'd be a glottal stopped Г followed by a normal г afterwards. Ко горке doesn't make sense.
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    That is so interesting how adding an unnecessary о breaks the very meaning !

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    Either [ˈɡːorkʲɪ] or [ˈɡorkʲɪ] I think.
    Please correct my English

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXHoax View Post
    That is so interesting how adding an unnecessary о breaks the very meaning !
    Think of it this way. Say you added an unnecessary O to such a simple word as "car" and made it sound as "caro". Would people understand what you meant?
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    Haha, well true, but not only is ко a real word that is used, it has the same meaning in every way. It IS the same thing really, just a modified realization of it.
    For instance, only in speech, when in English we shorten "of" to a short "o", it always miraculously makes sense, even when you'd be shoving to vowels next to each other.
    /It's the end o' everything./ Not something that anyone'd ever write, but it sounds perfectly understandable. Honestly, I probably don't pronounce the f in of more often than I do! Granted, I slouch my speech more than I ought to.

    Even look at "a" versus "an".

    /It is just an joke./

    Sounds weird as hell, but I still would still totally get it. My first thought would just be "why?".

    The Russian rules for when to us which form are clearly more complex, one might go so far to say "blurry". So I'd assume the two forms would really really blend in use, or at least allow swapping occasionally.

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    A vs. an comparison is not really fair, as it's very natural to use these articles in front of most nouns, thus you expect to hear them and separate them from main nouns they modify. Russians don't have these small words in between main words and therefore anything in between would be considered a part of that word. For example, if you said something like "пошли ко горке", my first thought would be: "What the hell is огорка?" That's when coming from a native though, when speaking to a foreigner you'd expect these kinds of things and probably figure out what they meant.

    As for ко, it's not that widespread, so it's hard to figure out its unusual uses.
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    Aaahhh I see what you mean. That aspect I hadn't really considered. A given noun has a sort of personalized choice of which version it goes with.
    Plus Russian prepositions melding into the following word changes the situation for sure.

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