Thread: bl

Originally Posted by Ядерное лицо

Originally Posted by TATY

So, in English schools when they teach kids English they have those posters of the alphabet with each letter of the alphabet on them, then a word that it being with. Like A = Apple, B = Ball, C = Cat.

What do they do for Ы in Russian.

They have the same problem we have: X = ?

In most of the posters/banners/books that I can recall off the top of my head, X is always described as "X as in foX". There are few English words that begins with X, and I think that young children would have a hard time understanding what is meant by xenon, xylem, xylene, xerox, xiphoid or xenophobia. Possibly the only other way out is to use Xmas as an example.

Xylophone
X-ray

Лицо, Xmas reads "Christmas", am I right? In this case, your example doesn't work.

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Xylophone
X-ray

Isn't it [zilofon]?

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Oh, there are surnames of the Tartar, or may be of another nationality, I do not know for sure, beginning with Ы.

Ысманов, for example.

I wouldn't say that it's a good example, that word "Ысманов" first of all, if it's a last name of someone, than it's not Russian, only the ending here is Russian, but the root of the word and the letter Ы in the beginning of it, tell us that it's not a Russian word, which means that the man with this last name either not a Russain man, or has non Russian, Tatarian, as you say or other nationality, roots. This word, is also uncomforable to pronounce, because of the letter Ы in the beggining. There are no words in Russian that start with this letter, the more correct way to pronounce it on Russian way would be, to exchange the letter Ы on letter И, that way it will sound more pleasent to the ear and will be easier to pronounce.

Originally Posted by mp510

bl only appears after other letters. All russian books make that pretty clear (at least the ones i have).

that's right, Ы only appears in the middle of a word, for example in words like: быть, пыль, мыть, выть, мыло, мысль or a lot of times in the end of a word, when there's plural number for example in the words like: машины, телевизоры, шнуры, костры. also in words: ты and мы. it also can come after the first letter sometimes.

Also, you should pay attantion, that sometimes there are some words that are pronounced like they have the letter Ы in them but in reality they are written with the letter И, the words like:
шило, жизнь, шина will sound like шыло, жызнь, шына, but this is not the correct writing of them, there is a rule in Russian grammar that says:

ЖИ ШИ пиши с И

but I believe you all who learn from the books know that.

I do not think that last name Ысманов exists, but everything is possible. Усманов - quite common muslim last name.

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Originally Posted by Ядерное лицо

Originally Posted by TATY

So, in English schools when they teach kids English they have those posters of the alphabet with each letter of the alphabet on them, then a word that it being with. Like A = Apple, B = Ball, C = Cat.

What do they do for Ы in Russian.

They have the same problem we have: X = ?

In most of the posters/banners/books that I can recall off the top of my head, X is always described as "X as in foX". There are few English words that begins with X, and I think that young children would have a hard time understanding what is meant by xenon, xylem, xylene, xerox, xiphoid or xenophobia. Possibly the only other way out is to use Xmas as an example.

Xylophone
X-ray

"Children Xning" sing next to the school.

Xing is not a word, it stands for crossing... Same as Xmas (christmas)

X can mean so many things!

I sometimes pronounce яичница as ыышница or ыычница as a joke (there are some dialects where they do it for real!). No problem with ы at the start of a word.

Originally Posted by Pioner

I do not think that last name Ысманов exists, but everything is possible. Усманов - quite common muslim last name.

There is a person in my city with such a surname!

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Xylophone
X-ray

Isn't it [zilofon]?

No, its ["zaIl@f_hon]

It may be pronounced with a z, but it still starts with X.

Yeh, the whole point of those charts is not just pronunciation. So what the X in Xylophone is pronounced as Z. The word still starts with an X.
Therefore X is for Xylophone.

I bought one of those Russian kids' alphabet posters in Russia.

They put the hard sign and soft sign in the same square with no word for them. However this isn't really very wise, since the hard sign and soft sign do not appear next to each other in the alphabet.

Sorry to resurect a dead post, but I recently heard ы in a song pronounced "wee". It was the word Вы and they pronounced it "Vwee".

Originally Posted by Тостер

Sorry to resurect a dead post, but I recently heard ы in a song pronounced "wee". It was the word Вы and they pronounced it "Vwee".

Probably they just pronounced "В" as "vw" Actually it seems they often throw in some meaningless sounds in songs, sometimes for rhythm, sometimes for emotional effects maybe.