1st day vowel pronouncation questions

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March 14th, 2006, 07:55 PM
JustinThyme

1st day vowel pronouncation questions

On MasterRussian's vowel pronouncation page, I'm not clear on a couple of points.

On the second page, the pronouncation of И is described as "И as in meet". However, the summary chart at the bottom says И is "e as in pet". Which is it?

I'm also unclear on the difference between Я and Ё. The latter is described as the "yo in yonder", but I pronounce yonder as "yahn-der", which would sound exactly identical to Я. Maybe I pronounce "yonder" differently than the author because I'm from the deep south :)

Any clarification would be appreciated.
March 14th, 2006, 08:13 PM
tdk2fe

The summary chart is describing the sound for the letter when it is stressed.

Я - 'ya'
Ё - 'yo'

I think 'yonder' there was a poor choice for a word.

tdk
March 14th, 2006, 08:48 PM
HA

"И as in meet" - correct

Я as in yuck
Ё as in your
March 14th, 2006, 09:01 PM
JustinThyme

Much obliged :) Thank you both.
March 14th, 2006, 09:07 PM
tdk2fe

Я as in "yuck" is wrong (American pronounciation), unless you pronounce the first syllable like "ya" as in "yacht".

We could sit here all day and try to explain how things are pronounced, but its probably best to either move this to the "Audio Lounge" or for you to check out the audio samples on the other parts of this site.

tdk
March 14th, 2006, 09:10 PM
Dimitri
March 14th, 2006, 10:07 PM
kwatts59

Re: 1st day vowel pronouncation questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

On the second page, the pronouncation of И is described as "И as in meet". However, the summary chart at the bottom says И is "e as in pet". Which is it?

И is "ee" as in meet - correct
И is e as in pet - WRONG!
March 14th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Volk

It should be Э for e as in pet.

The Я sound is closer to the Ya in 'Yahoo', not the British 'Yuh-hoo' way of saying it.
March 14th, 2006, 11:02 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by волк

It should be Э for e as in pet.

The Я sound is closer to the Ya in 'Yahoo', not the British 'Yuh-hoo' way of saying it.

To be honest, Yahoo isn't a very British thing to say. Unless you are talking about the website, in which case, I'd say it like

Ya(r)-hoo.
March 15th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Volk

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Originally Posted by TATY

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Originally Posted by волк

It should be Э for e as in pet.

The Я sound is closer to the Ya in 'Yahoo', not the British 'Yuh-hoo' way of saying it.

To be honest, Yahoo isn't a very British thing to say. Unless you are talking about the website, in which case, I'd say it like

Ya(r)-hoo.

Well I was trying to think of an American example, I haven't heard that way of saying it because of the reason you stated.

The only other example I can think of is the Ya in 'Yankee' unless that's still pronounced 'Yahnkee'.
March 15th, 2006, 02:40 PM
TATY

[quote=волк]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by "волк":3r7py9s1

It should be Э for e as in pet.

The Я sound is closer to the Ya in 'Yahoo', not the British 'Yuh-hoo' way of saying it.

To be honest, Yahoo isn't a very British thing to say. Unless you are talking about the website, in which case, I'd say it like

Ya(r)-hoo.

Well I was trying to think of an American example, I haven't heard that way of saying it because of the reason you stated.

The only other example I can think of is the Ya in 'Yankee' unless that's still pronounced 'Yahnkee'.[/quote:3r7py9s1]

Yankee works.
March 20th, 2006, 05:58 PM
HA

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdk2fe

Я as in "yuck" is wrong (American pronounciation)

to be specific:

Я as in "yuck" as pronounced in Midwest is correct, verified against native Midwestern and Russian speakers, also
Я as in "yard"
March 21st, 2006, 02:12 AM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by HA

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdk2fe

Я as in "yuck" is wrong (American pronounciation)

to be specific:

Я as in "yuck" as pronounced in Midwest is correct, verified against native Midwestern and Russian speakers, also
Я as in "yard"

The reason why we don't like you using Yuck as an example is:

1. It only applies to this Midwest pronunciation. The world doesn't stop outside America you know.
2. We like using a Ya wordы, because Я at the end of the day, is Йа.
March 23rd, 2006, 04:28 PM
HA

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Originally Posted by TATY

The reason why we don't like you using Yuck as an example is:

Well I agree with "don't like" more than with "is wrong".
Anyway, English language is a joint enterprise, and our side of the pool owns enough stock in it to vote down anything we disagree with.

:D :D :D
March 23rd, 2006, 05:34 PM
MasterAdmin

Re: 1st day vowel pronouncation questions

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Originally Posted by kwatts59

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

On the second page, the pronouncation of И is described as "И as in meet". However, the summary chart at the bottom says И is "e as in pet". Which is it?

И is "ee" as in meet - correct
И is e as in pet - WRONG!

Correction: should be ee as in peet of course!
March 23rd, 2006, 08:12 PM
Seventh-Monkey

I think "Pete" would be a good example there. I can't imagine anyone pronouncing it differently (in any English accent) to "peet".
March 24th, 2006, 06:20 AM
TATY

Re: 1st day vowel pronouncation questions

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Originally Posted by MasterAdmin

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

On the second page, the pronouncation of И is described as "И as in meet". However, the summary chart at the bottom says И is "e as in pet". Which is it?

И is "ee" as in meet - correct
И is e as in pet - WRONG!

Correction: should be ee as in peet of course!

Is peet even a word?
March 24th, 2006, 07:30 AM
Seventh-Monkey

'Course not, that's why I offered Pete.
March 24th, 2006, 07:47 AM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seventh-Monkey

'Course not, that's why I offered Pete.

Maybe he means "peat", as in that soil stuff.
March 24th, 2006, 07:56 AM
basurero

Я сомневаюсь в том, что это слово звучит то же самое во всех акцентах английского языка.... Возьмем, например, Акцент Южно-Африканской Республики. Он весьма нелеп и силен...
March 24th, 2006, 10:22 AM
Dimitri

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Originally Posted by basurero

Я сомневаюсь в том, что это слово звучит так же на всех акцентах английского языка.... Возьмем, например, акцент Южно-Африканской Республики. Он весьма нелеп и силен...
March 24th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Indra

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Originally Posted by Dimitri

Quote:

Originally Posted by basurero

Я сомневаюсь в том, что это слово звучит также на всех акцентах английского языка.... Возьмем, например, акцент Южно-Африканской Республики. Он весьма нелеп и силен...

Я сомневаюсь в том, что это слово звучит так же во всех акцентах английского языка
March 24th, 2006, 11:04 AM
Dimitri

Да, исправлено
March 24th, 2006, 11:54 AM
basurero

Spasibo Dimitri i Indra. Vy khoroshi. !
March 24th, 2006, 05:17 PM
kalinka_vinnie

а я? Не хороший?
March 24th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Rtyom

Каким ты тут боком, Винни? ;)
March 24th, 2006, 06:54 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

а я? Не хороший?

Ти добрий :)
March 24th, 2006, 09:53 PM
chaika

Native midwesterner here (Illinois). I never pronounce yuck with an /a/, it always rhymes with f*ck.

Я is /y/ + the /a/ as in aha! not oh ho or uh-uh.
March 25th, 2006, 06:49 PM
HA

Chaika,

message received and understood - thanks

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