Предварительные итоги:
66,26% - Единая Россия
13,27% - КПРФ
7% --- барьер ----------------
6,14% - ЛДПР
5,34% - "Справедливая Россия"
4,7% - "Яблоко"
1,82% - "Патриоты России"
По всем 17 одномандатным округам лидируют кандидаты от "Единой России".
Явка избирателей составила - 35,57%.
Итак, московскую думу будут представлять большие и маленькие коммунисты, избранные третью населения города.
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P.S. Пока существует партия "Единая Россия" хождение на выборы считаю бесперспективным и бесполезным делом. Они всё равно победят, даже если все избиратели проголосуют против них.
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How do they always win even if everybody votes against them?Они всё равно победят, даже если все избиратели проголосуют против них.
And how are they able to work with the Communist party which surely must have completely different objectives..?
Originally Posted by Johanna
I find that a bit difficult to explain, just try to believe. United Russia always wins, even if nobody comes to vote.
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Disturbing! Does everybody else believe this too?
The figures are very out of proportion for a normal democracy - usually no party gets above 50% (even in the US).
BUT in order to win regardless of the ACTUAL votes they've got to:
-Deliberately miscount the votes
-"Ballot stuffing" (put in extra votes for their party and get rid of some other votes)
-Ignore the entire vote counting and simply make up the numbers.
This would be very sinister! It would take a lot of organisation and many people must be "in on it"!
Aren't there any observers in these elections - people who are just supposed to watch and make sure that nothing untowards happens?
Elections in Russia is just a formality to show our western partners that we do have a democratic way to elect our government. In reality the outcome of the elections is clear to everyone even before the elections start.
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That's a shame. Coming from you, I believe it.
Seems to me all the changes happened too fast in Russia. One day communism, the next day cowboy capitalism and drunken democracy... And now, an energy giant with a not-so-democratic government. How can a normal person keep up...?
I'd like to see a strong, successful and peaceful Russia that has some form of government that is efficient and that the majority is happy with - whether its democracy or not. My impression is that a lot of people there don't care much about democracy, but more about law and order + improved economic circumstances. Perhaps that's the sentiment that "Russia United" is riding on...
Are there any alternatives to them?
I'm also surprised at the low number of Communists - would have thought that'd be a lot higher than 13%. Perhaps its because the figures are only supposed to represent Moscow.
The real opposition (even backed by the Kremlin) was left out on the registration proceedings in Moscow. In fact, they were banned from taking part in the elections as candidates. That was the first step to success. Then if some one (except the United Russia) had won, f.e. communists, the elections would have been declared outlawed. And finally, a municipal governer in Moscow that hasn't protected the United Russia from defeat gets fired at once as an unskillful worker.
В обычных странах церковь отделена от государства, а в России - от Бога.
Whom do you consider a real opposition I wonder?
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I think the low number of Communists makes it very suspicious. I don't know anything about how anybody might cheat in an election though...
But as soon as a party gets quite strong it takes measures to solidify its power. Look at Berlusconi in Italy right now... If that's democracy I'm Donald Duck....
In Sweden we had a VERY strong majority (50-60%) for social democrats/communist combination. Their biggest "trick" was to make half the population dependent on a whole host of state subsidies which they said would disappaear unless SD was re-elected... Surprise, surprise, all working class people and many others invariably voted for them. It helped that they were actually quite competent and that the ideology is very easy to sympthise with.
Then, all senior cultural, educational and church ppl were appointed by the SD government - and influenced these instititutions. There is a name for this phenomenon "Folkhemmet" - the people's home... a very positive word - I love it! Means the state will always take care of you, no matter what - and they do...
This is one way to completely perpetuate a party's power without cheating per se! But it takes a few decades to achieve.
Our little system would have gone on indefinitely and only got stronger if not because of the events in 90-91 which made people disillusioned about socialism. (Lord, what brutal awakening it was to see the dark sides of the USSR on TV in 1991)
Bribing voters is just another 'perfect' example of the democracy. I'll just give you some subsidy and you'll elect me and then I'm going to pursue my own interests.
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Having talked to friends/neighbours/co-workers, I waited for such results:
50-55% - Единая Россия
15-20% - КПРФ
~10% - ЛДПР
В “МК” прошла пресс-конференция гендиректора ВЦИОМ Валерия Федорова, который огласил результаты первого в истории Москвы экспериментального электронного экзит-пола.
11 октября в период с 8.00 до 20.00 москвичам было отправлено 400 000 смс на мобильные телефоны с вопросами, голосовали ли они на выборах в Мосгордуму и если “да”, то за кого. Ответов пришло не так много — 5,5 тысячи, часть людей подумала, что от имени ВЦИОМ действуют мошенники. Однако полученные результаты, мягко говоря, сильно отличаются от того, что мы получили на этих выборах.
“Судя по ответам москвичей, у нас получилась не двухпартийная Дума, а пятипартийная, — сообщил Федоров. — “Единая Россия” получила 45,2% голосов, КПРФ — 17,7%, “Яблоко” — 13,6%, “Справедливая Россия” — 10,7%, ЛДПР — 8,4% и “Правое дело” — 4,4%. Хотя “Единая Россия” и при этом раскладе побеждает, но большинство здесь явно не подавляющее”.
Кстати, недавний опрос ВЦИОМ, проведенный 22—28 сентября, показал забавную вещь. Москвичей спросили, какое влияние на ситуацию в городе оказывают различные структуры.
70% признали сильное влияние за мэром Москвы; 45% — за правительством города; 30% — за криминальными структурами; 21% — за Мосгордумой и лишь 9% — за политическими партиями. В те же дни 17% москвичей заявили, что вообще не знают о грядущих выборах, а точно прийти на них собирался 31% из осведомленных. Любопытно и то, что лишь 7% опрошенных знали, кого из одномандатников выдвигает “ЕР”, 5% — КПРФ, 3% — ЛДПР, 2% — “СР” и 1% — “Яблоко” (если учесть, что “Яблоко” вообще не выдвигало одномандатников, результат неплохой).
Отсюда возникает вопрос: как при такой осведомленности “Единая Россия” умудрилась занять все места в одномандатных округах? Особенно если учесть, что, согласно тому же опросу ВЦИОМ, 46% москвичей умудрились вообще не заметить в городе рекламы “ЕР”.
В обычных странах церковь отделена от государства, а в России - от Бога.
Сколько будет 70+45+30+21+9?
Я так думаю, разрешалось дать несколько ответов.Сколько будет 70+45+30+21+9?
В обычных странах церковь отделена от государства, а в России - от Бога.
That's a good one
not-so-democratic government
Actually they call themselves "sovereign democracy"
В обычных странах церковь отделена от государства, а в России - от Бога.
Yeah, that's not nice, but not nearly as nasty as threatening. At least you have your citizens left with something.
Yes, but as it was with Sweden the result is usually a budgetary deficit. It's not normal when 60-70% of the GDP is spent on social subsidies.Yeah, that's not nice, but not nearly as nasty as threatening. At least you have your citizens left with something.
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If Johanna sounded like a US Democrat earlier, you now sound like a US Republican.
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