Thread: Алексей Анатольевич Навальный (Blogger Alexei Navalny)

Originally Posted by Crocodile

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meaning noone I guess

Originally Posted by Crocodile

To be honest, I'm not sure we can find out what his real goals are

well, I'm just speculating here, same as you
I told you my thoughts and I provided my analysis, if you don't like it that doesn't mean that it's a lie

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Really?!!! If I submit a request to investigate why Putin is doing this and that, my application will be rejected right away for the reason of incompleteness, because it has to have a MERIT which has to be factually supported. Hence the enclosed documentation.

I guess you don't have enough knowledge about how the things work
1. you submit an application which must be accepted
2. if preliminary investigation is required (before opening a case) it supposed to be done
3. this application must be examined and decision should be made about opening a CASE
4. If case is opened then further investigation will be done

So, when Навальный submitted an application (step 1) УБЭП did preliminary investigation (step 2) and didn't find состав преступления thus didn't open the CASE. There were some time spent between step1 and step2
If you submit an application about Putin that spent time between 1 and 2 might be just 30 seconds that's it. Also from my understanding you can't open a criminal case for certain people while they holding certain posts

One more thing, for some incidents one don't even need step1, УБЭП must react just on verbal or written information which is enough to be suspicious
For example if one says that he or she is going to kill somebody it is enough information to move to step2 and no documents required

Originally Posted by Doomer

well, I'm just speculating here, same as you
I told you my thoughts and I provided my analysis, if you don't like it that doesn't mean that it's a lie

That doesn't mean it's a lie, that's correct. If I say something like: "the space amoeba had just safely landed on the asteroid XZ-2011" that does not mean it's a lie. It's just I haven't provided enough evidence to support that. I also agree we're both speculating to some extent, which make our conclusions more probable or less probable in the end. I'm insisting on the fact that Navalniy had significantly drawn attention to the corruption issue and even coined a slogan. Both of us agree (I hope) that the corruption issue is real and is widespread. Ramil posted more on that some time back, something that he witnessed if I remember it correctly. Then, it's up to the government bodies to investigate. Do they want to do it, it's another matter. I suppose, you're right in that Navalniy produced documentation which was not sufficient to build a court case, because otherwise he would just bring the matter to court and demand compensation as a shareholder. But, I would still insist he had done some practical steps as opposed to doing nothing and just crying "Corruption!"

Originally Posted by Crocodile

I'm insisting on the fact that Navalniy had significantly drawn attention to the corruption issue and even coined a slogan. Both of us agree (I hope) that the corruption issue is real and is widespread.

I agree to this

Originally Posted by Crocodile

But, I would still insist he had done some practical steps as opposed to doing nothing and just crying "Corruption!"

You said before (and I hope you mean it now) that he has done some practical steps to FIGHT corruption
Well, as you said - you didn't provide enough evidence to that

I just only insist that he has done some practical steps to PR himself and also to oppose Russian people against Russian government. I may just sound silly but from my point he's trying to bring chaos and destruction instead of real positive and creative actions

Obviously if all the evidence would be easy to find he would be either in jail or powerful politician (depending on evidence). Right now he's just a clown with dangerous ideas or how some sources say: )
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