Thread: Yushchenko Poisoning

Even though there is no proof about the link between the government and the Yushchenko poisoning, there is a high probability that is indeed what happened.

Now what kind of government use such a weak, cheap and lame tactic, a tactic used by women in the ancient times, a tactic certainly not worth of a democratic government?

What do the russians think about this issue? Would you be happy to live in a country where you would be poisoned when you start to get popular because of your looks and your ideas?

Do you really think Yushchenko needed to poison himself in order to get popular? That's the same reasoning islamist terrorists use when blaming everything that happens on America. You would be hiding behind a falacy.

Would you be outraged if you learnt that Putin gave his very private consentment to this kind of action?

In summary, do you support a system that does not condemn deliberate poisoning of a another citizen? Would you want a system that silently allow the government to poison people with new ideas; for the price of stability? I believe that a positive answer would explain why "America, The West, The democratic system and whatever you call it" is so powerful today.

Such tactics should only happen in books and games like "Res Publica" (Republic of Rome)

Any of your comment is welcome

Mord

Originally Posted by Mordan

Would you be outraged if you learnt that Putin gave his very private consentment to this kind of action?

I think you are insulting the Russian people to even ask that question.

You seem to be jumping to an awful lot of conclusions about this case.

I think that it is a fair question. Mordan did not initiate this as this topic is debated in Ukraine. Personally I like Putin in some ways. I would get a kick if my leader was a Martial Arts expert. I would hate to think that he had anything to do with this ........but he does support Yushchenko's opponent who some have accused of being involved in the poisoning.

Originally Posted by Mordan

Now what kind of government use such a weak, cheap and lame tactic, a tactic used by women in the ancient times, a tactic certainly not worth of a democratic government?

Ah, those dastardly women. Women, and Russians. They're all big supporters of poisoning.

Originally Posted by Линдзи

Originally Posted by Mordan

Now what kind of government use such a weak, cheap and lame tactic, a tactic used by women in the ancient times, a tactic certainly not worth of a democratic government?

Ah, those dastardly women. Women, and Russians. They're all big supporters of poisoning.

You seem very touchy my friend. When I look back on my history, this kind of weapon was used a lot all around Europe. It was very common in ancient rome.
But times have changed you see.

I'm not talking about the russian people. I'm talking about the government and the officials. I'm also talking about the relation the russian people have with them.(your reaction if you learn Putin supported the poisoning)

Indeed you are showing signs of weaknesses by being defensive, by thinking I'm attacking the russian people. As a matter of fact you did not answer a single of my questions. I have read that Russians are having an inferiority complex...
Again don't take me wrong, I'm not being despiseful. The drunken has to first acknowledge his drunkenness before he want to break free from alcohol's grip. In other words, it is of no use to live in a world of denials. Look at the Arab world...


PS: I should not have said the thing about women, however what is said is said. Poison is the weapon of the cunning and women are. Hopefully for Ukraine and Russia, Yushchenko survived the ordeal. His scars shall be its banner as each day when he will shave, he will remember. This man has the potential of a true statesman. I wish I meet him someday

Originally Posted by waxwing

Originally Posted by Mordan

Would you be outraged if you learnt that Putin gave his very private consentment to this kind of action?

I think you are insulting the Russian people to even ask that question.

You seem to be jumping to an awful lot of conclusions about this case.

Well I thought he was depicted as a Nazi and a bandit in your media. Would you support a poisoning attempt against Hitler? Hmmm

Mordan, you don't have any proof so do us a favour and stop yapping.

Originally Posted by Mordan

Would you be outraged if you learnt that Putin gave his very private consentment to this kind of action?

I would be happy. bwhhaa-ha

Originally Posted by Mordan

I have read that Russians are having an inferiority complex...

No, we have a complex of superiprity and hating all these puny rhetorics of "fight for democracy and human rights" pathos.

P.S. I personnaly hate my own state as all more or less normal people do and always did in all periods. But I love my country, its people and its culture. Perhaps you never will be able to comprehend this difference between country and state or laws and moral in you kind of logic.

Mordan, please re-read your questions, and perhaps you will see why no one is willing to answer them. Sorry, your post doesn't sound like questions from a genuinely interested person. It sounds like a flame bait, that's all.

Originally Posted by translations.nm.ru

It sounds like a flame bait, that's all.

Aye, a flame bait it is and a rather primitive one. I'm saying this as a pro. I can certainly tell an amateur troll when I see one.

There is an article about it here with "before and after" pictures.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4088345.stm

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Mordan, you don't have any proof so do us a favour and stop yapping.

If he had any proof, you would be posting how is proof is flawed on the BBC forums.

@astarz - Long time no see. Welcome back

BlackMage:
If I had any proof that George Bush had ordered the attack on the World Trade Center, you would be on the Faux News forums posting how my proof is flawed.

Originally Posted by Mordan

Well I thought he was depicted as a Nazi and a bandit in your media. Would you support a poisoning attempt against Hitler? Hmmm

Whose media? откуда я?

What irritated me about Mordan's question was not the suggestion that Putin may have directly ordered the poisoning, however wacky that suggestion is - but that the Russian people, given incontrovertible proof of his involvement, would accept it. That is what I think is offensive.

Originally Posted by waxwing

BlackMage:
If I had any proof that George Bush had ordered the attack on the World Trade Center, you would be on the Faux News forums posting how my proof is flawed.

Thats cause I heart George Bush. Me and George Bush are like this.



Dont get offended ill take it down in the morning

Can somebody point me to the article where Putin is accused of being involved in the poisoning, or even having been aware of it?

For that matter, how about an article where Putin is accused of anything other than tactical stupidity in openly and explicitly supporting one candidate over the other?

If not, do any of you know why you have made that mental connection/ leap of logic, given that it isn't actually there?

I can explain it for you if you like...

Any of us?
Please either be careful in choosing your words or read the thread again scotcher.
Which, admittedly, could be difficult due to that ridiculously large image on the previous page.

Easy there Waxwing, I thought it was quite obvious from the context that 'any of you' refers to those who have made that specific leap of logic, and was used as a stylistic shorthand to keep the question general and semi-rhetorical, to avoid singling anyone out. If you haven't made that incredible leap of logic, as you evidently haven't, then 'any of you' clearly doesn't apply to you

"The sign on the wall said 'THANK YOU FOR NOT SMOKING', but I was smoking, so it didn't apply to me" - don't remember, C1990-ish

Yeah, thought so. Well, sorry. This thread puts me in a bad mood...

"The sign on the wall said 'THANK YOU FOR NOT SMOKING', but I was smoking, so it didn't apply to me"

Good one Reminds me of the time I was in a столовая in Russia and saw the sign "здесь не курят" and I thought, who are "they"?

Originally Posted by scotcher

Can somebody point me to the article where Putin is accused of being involved in the poisoning, or even having been aware of it?

Nobody claimed such a thing. Jeez.. Are you faking on purpose the fact you can't read what is written?