Thread: Who is who? Political Compass

Долго колебался, где именно это разместить. Решил всё-таки сюда. Вот "политический компас" -- тест, который позволяет определить, каков же ваш политический вектор: http://politicalcompass.org/test.

А здесь, кому нужно, перевод вопросов на русский: http://www.computerra.ru/sgolub/424950/. Интересно узнать, насколько постоянные русскоязычные обитатели форума склоны к либеральным идеям, а то смотрю, тут в ветке про консерватизм что-то страшное люди пишут.

Мой результат вот такой:


Инструкция по интерпретации диаграммы тут: http://politicalcompass.org/analysis2.

Nice one although the questions are too obvious.

I beat you in the lower left corner

Quartz my dear, I am afraid you are a Communist HIPPIE!
Now DDT will never add you to his buddy list!

Well, I have never thought of myself as Left, but according to this survey, I am!
However, I gave all the standard Christian answers the moral questions, so I registered as less liberalist than I really am; I just don't support gay marriages and the like. I have never actually voted for a socialist party. Seriously don't like a Big Brother state that knows everything about everyone and likewise I hate the power that large corporations have over politics and peoples' lives.

My closest poilitical "buddies" were: Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Fidel Castro...

CARDS ON THE TABLE LADS!!!

Let's see Ramil's score for starters!!!
Maybe they need to design a whole new chart, just for him!!!


ME:

Originally Posted by Hanna

Quartz my dear, I am afraid you are a Communist HIPPIE!
Now DDT will never add you to his buddy list!

LOL @ communist hippie (commie for short?)

My result:



I guess my closest friends (according to this test) are Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud Abbas and of course our dear Hanna!

I don't have many neighbors, though the Dalai Lama stands a little to my left and I'm exactly as libertarian-ish as звездочёт! I didn't realize that I was such a centrist...

Originally Posted by Hanna

I have never actually voted for a socialist party. Seriously don't like a Big Brother state that knows everything about everyone.

Hmm... It is not socialism. The horizontal axis of the plot shows our vision of economics: absolutely free market at right and fair economics at left (it’s including protectionism, social equality, etc). The total control, which you speak, belongs to vertical axis. Just look at the Stalin's position.

And there are those free-market fans? I thought Adam Smith is much popular than Karl Marx these days!

Originally Posted by Звездочёт

Hmm... It is not socialism. The horizontal axis of the graph show_ our vision of economics: absolutely free market at right and fair economics at left (this includes protectionism, social equality, etc). The total control_ of which you speak_ belongs on the vertical axis. Just look at _Stalin's position.

Originally Posted by Basil77

And there (where?) are those free-market fans? I thought Adam Smith is much more popular than Karl Marx these days!

Actually, if you read Adam Smith, many of his ideas would clash with the modern neo-liberal free-market democracies.

Sales of Das Kapital increased dramatically after the recession hit. So have the sales of Ayn Rand, though.... I guess things balance out.

I must be politically schizophrenic though; I like a lot of what both Adam Smith and Marx say! But it's absolutely impossible to combine their ideologies unless you seriously compromise both ideologies (=social democracy??), right?

Sometimes I think that a lot of people are too stupid, egoistical, gullible or fanatical in their beliefs to be able to to "qualify" as voters in a democracy... I voted for a party once which had made some environmental commitments but when they got into power they just backed on the position they had claimed to support during the election campaign - lots of people said they knew that would happen, but I had believed them...

I mean there are people eligible to vote who are murderers, illiterate and generally crazy....

Then there is the whole "buy democracy" debate which argues that whichever party has the most money for expensive campaigns that can twist peoples head to believe their messages win.. Usually parties that favour right wing agendas and get money form big business. Some countries try to control this, but there are always ways around it..

And in other countries where one party has a long stretch of reign and have time to put in place a self perpetuating setup whereby whereby half the population is dependant on some subsidies or other programs that only they support; so people vote for them to keep the cushy setup.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I must be politically schizophrenic though; I like a lot of what both Adam Smith and Marx say!

Yes, they are great economists blah, blah, blah... The problem is that they both were building economical models for the "wrong" people. With those ones who are living on this humble planet their theories don't work unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I must be politically schizophrenic though; I like a lot of what both Adam Smith and Marx say! But it's absolutely impossible to combine their ideologies unless you seriously compromise both ideologies (=social democracy??), right?

I like a lot of things Adam Smith says too and you saw my chart!

“Our merchants frequently complain of the high wages of British labour as the cause of their manufactures being undersold in foreign markets, but they are silent about the high profits of stock. They complain of the extravagant gain of other people, but they say nothing of their own. The high profits of British stock, however, may contribute towards raising the price of British manufactures in many cases as much, and in some perhaps more, than the high wages of British labour” Adam Smith in "The Wealth of Nations"


Political economy developed because thinkers were trying to locate the source of value. In a secularised universe, it was very mysterious where value comes from. Smith, very importantly, placed the source of value in work, something that was mystified both by his contemporaries and by many current free-market ideologies (where it is considered that value comes from capital not from labour). On that very important point, Marx concurs.

I don't think one should follow any ideology blindly and to the letter, especially if that ideology is a few centuries old, so compromise isn't a huge issue. Marx himself disliked the word Marxism.

So many left-wingers here
So am I, here:



By the way, I've already taken this test a couple of years ago and I was amazed to see that my political views had changed. I've become less radical in my views though my sympathies still are to the left.

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Now I know how they think!

But we still don't know how YOU think.

Originally Posted by Ramil

So many left-wingers here

Yes. it's an interesting result. And note, almost all famous politicians are in the opposite corner of the graph. So, is it another proof the democratic idea "a government represent people" doesn't work in practice? Or, left-wingers just concentrated here.

Originally Posted by Звездочёт

Yes, it's an interesting result. And note, almost all famous politicians are in the opposite corner of the graph. So, is it another proof that the democratic idea "a government represents the people" doesn't work in practice? Or, are the left-wingers just concentrated here.

There are many people not on the graph who would be in the opposite quadrant. =)

But, it's interesting to see where the current leaders of Europe are situated, I agree.

Originally Posted by Ramil

So many left-wingers here.

No there must be something wrong with the survey. As far as I am concerned, my answers were simply indicating that;

1) I support free health care, education and a decent minumum standard of living for everyone in my country. Who in Europe doesn't???

2) I am suspicious against corporations and their profit driven agendas. But does anyone seriously think that BP and Microsoft are nice and caring organisations?

3) I think the USA and its' reluctant allies should stop invading countries that don't subscribe to its' worldview. And so does at least half of Western Europe...

These are completely normal views! It does not make me a revolutionary!
Maybe it pegged me as a Marxist because I said that I strongly agree with "from each according to his ability.... " So what!!! That's a lovely vision...!

Do I need to say "From everyone depending on his social class or IQ, to everyone according to his ability to pay...." to be normal.

I think the survey might be skewed to the right! Who made it?

Margaret Thatcher and George W Bush are more to the right than the chart indicates.