Thread: Western Propaganda aka клюква lol

Originally Posted by Hanna

Thanks for confirming your nationality. I was wondering.

And for the record, there are some interesting parallels with Russia - I responded to your comment because you particularly singled out that paragraph. The big difference, is that most intelligent Russians are pretty aware and cynical about what's going on with their country, in terms of media and the other factors you mention. The same cannot be said for Swedes in most cases. I am not going to get into an ideological debate with you but leave you with a tip:

With the views you seem to have, you'd better make sure you are set up with insurances and well filled savings account so you can afford the new "choice driven" economy. And before you get on any high horses wrt ideology, consider what you've already received by the welfare state you seem to despise. Would you have gone to university, if you'd have had to pay for it? Would your parents? The real price, is 180,000 SEK per year. How would you have got hold of that, and paid your bills while at the same time studying. I won't even go there with medical care which millions of people in the US are losing sleep over but has been handed to you on a silver platter by the welfare state you despise. You won't appreciate it until you lose it. But by all means, enjoy the "choices" and don't forget to save every penny - if your dreams of living in a miniature replica of the USA come true, you will need it.

Because you'd be destroyed. So, you didn't even really read the post. I don't need your tip and you didn't bother to read the post fully, obviously.

But, you know that Russians are 'aware' of what's going on, yeah, okay. You are pathetic to try and 'score points' based on nothing. No backbone, no knowledge, no nothing. Actually, there are many who do but probably not based on what reasons you have. The protests in Russia show that they are at least aware, many of them. They are to be commended too, because unlike some of the clueless people in other countries, they are at least, not apathetic. That is the difference though with your assertion and mine. You base yours on nothing and I am at least trying to illustrate some reference. I think, when Russians are out protesting in the thousands against Putin's rule and against the destruction and neglect of their country, that it shows they know something is seriously wrong. Also, my questioning of how many are unaware is based on what other Russians have told me or comments that many have made (not directly to me).
I have had many discussions with various Russians and informed myself reading several sources. It's not meant to demean or ridicule those who are 'unaware.' It's meant to help. Often, you need a kick in the butt or a wake-up call in order to 'snap out of it' and enlighten yourself.

Anyway, you're another example of how clueless many Swedes are. 'Can't even understand or have a clue when reading, too.... that's sad.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It doesn't matter whether you believe in a totally public (subsidized) system or if you want a 'mixed' system or one wants a libertarian/totally private system, it's always the same. You need it paid for if you want a 'social safety net.' Since, you and Hanna are both 'liberals' in the 'American' or 'Western' sense of the word, you just don't get it. You are totally clueless.

But, I presented a theory or reason why the system in Sweden is crumbling and she had no clue. Still couldn't comprehend it. That is the problem and why the system is breaking.

You think it's a simplified system of the rich beating down the poor. Yes, it is but it's more than that. The public and private system works in different ways and unfortunately, Governments utilize crony capitalism and many leftist policies to bankrupt the public system. One of the most noticeable consequences is what happens to public healthcare.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Because you'd be destroyed. So, you didn't even really read the post. I don't need your tip and you didn't bother to read the post fully, obviously.

But, you know that Russians are 'aware' of what's going on, yeah, okay. You are pathetic to try and 'score points' based on nothing. No backbone, no knowledge, no nothing. Actually, there are many who do but probably not based on what reasons you have. The protests in Russia show that they are at least aware, many of them. They are to be commended too, because unlike some of the clueless people in other countries, they are at least, not apathetic. That is the difference though with your assertion and mine. You base yours on nothing and I am at least trying to illustrate some reference. I think, when Russians are out protesting in the thousands against Putin's rule and against the destruction and neglect of their country, that it shows they know something is seriously wrong. Also, my questioning of how many are unaware is based on what other Russians have told me or comments that many have made (not directly to me).
I have had many discussions with various Russians and informed myself reading several sources. It's not meant to demean or ridicule those who are 'unaware.' It's meant to help. Often, you need a kick in the butt or a wake-up call in order to 'snap out of it' and enlighten yourself.

Anyway, you're another example of how clueless many Swedes are. 'Can't even understand or have a clue when reading, too.... that's sad.

You have to contain your anger! It's like you are have a chip on your shoulder.
It's sickening and destroys everybody's good opinion about our forum.

Take it as a warning.

I hope Hanna developed a thicker skin by now to take your attitude and not to get upset.

Sorry Hannochka, I want to keep this post as a sample of what we have from 14Russian.