Thread: Western Propaganda aka клюква lol

Originally Posted by Anixx

Do you want to say that the price of realty in large cities in other countries is smaller? I heard stories about people repaying their realty credits for 20 and 30 years.

The only difference is that the young families actually LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS for those 20-30 years, and the cooperative apartments took 10 or more years TO BUILD after the money was paid.

Originally Posted by Anixx

Confiscation was only possible as a penal measure for crimes against property such as theft, robbery, fraud, extortion etc.

I think I gave a good example - a person who produced more goods than the norm allows and sold it privately. That was penalized by the confiscation. For example: the peasants were supposed to work in the public fields using the means of production (the machinery, the seeds, etc.) provided by the collective household using the directions provided by the collective household. At the same time, those peasants were able to maintain the tiny pieces of land in their private use - they could use private means of cultivating the land and use the crop produced by that land to feed themselves and to sell the extra on the market. If they were found of cultivating more than the norm - they were penalized by confiscation.

Originally Posted by Anixx

In the United States one can easily get life sentence for crimes against property.

Would you be able to cite a precedence? Maybe I misunderstood what you said.

Originally Posted by Anixx

Indeed. That's why the state made it impossible to become rich through taking others' property.

Well, that's not entirely true. The nomenclature had it all by confiscating property from other people.

Originally Posted by Anixx

In today's Russia one can steal billions, hide them, get imprisoned for some 5-6 years and then continue a billionaire's lifestyle.

That's very sad. Like I said, if the personal belongings had been registered under the name of the thief's relative, they weren't confiscated as well by the Soviet State leading to the similar situation on the smaller scale.

Originally Posted by Anixx

In any western state if you secretly make business and do not pay taxes or, say, produce counterfeit goods, you will be imprisoned as well.

I think that addresses a different concern. The Soviet Laws prohibited even the small enterprises. Had any of the enterprises been legally allowed, some of them would pay taxes and some of them would evade it.