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5000 have died, a million are "refugees" in Russia or Western Ukraine... It's the reason for the sanctions on Russia

5000 have died {during the conflict between western and eastern Ukraine I guess} a million are "refugees" in Russia or Western Ukraine, It's the reason for the sanctions on Russia...
This is simply illogical; rumors and empty speculation aside, what does Russia officiallyhave to do with the quarrel between the two Ukraines and why has it been punished for not being involved into the conflict?

Should Mr Putin have started military invasion under the disguise of taking care of the Russians remaining in the region being subjected to deadly risks out there?

Originally Posted by Medved

5000 have died {during the conflict between western and eastern Ukraine I guess} a million are "refugees" in Russia or Western Ukraine, It's the reason for the sanctions on Russia...
This is simply illogical; rumors and empty speculation aside, what does Russia officiallyhave to do with the quarrel between the two Ukraines and why has it been punished for not being involved into the conflict?

Should Mr Putin have started military invasion under the disguise of taking care of the Russians remaining in the region being subjected to deadly risks out there?

'This is simply illogical; rumors and empty speculation aside, what does Russia officiallyhave to do with the quarrel between the two Ukraines and why has it been punished for not being involved into the conflict?'
Are you serious? LOL

Edit: Even if no one can agree whether Russia 'has invaded' or sent military into Ukraine territory, it's undeniable they have Russian citizens (Russian nationality) that have prominent military and legislative (plus territorial) roles. In particular:

Alexander Borodai (Russian?)
Igor Strelkov/Girkin (Russian)

That should be enough to understand objection and one could disagree with the sanctions as a response but it's one thing to assert Russia had no accountability whatsoever.

I don't know if my post will be allowed but I am not intending to argue or cause any friction. I'm just offering a perspective to answer the previous post. That's all.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Edit: Even if no one can agree whether Russia 'has invaded' or sent military into Ukraine territory, it's undeniable they have Russian citizens (Russian nationality) that have prominent military and legislative (plus territorial) roles. In particular:

Yes, and what's so shocking about that? It's passionate individuals who are representing themselves only, definitely not on the orders of Putin.

It's completely normal for people to join in conflicts where they sympathise with one side or the other, even if their country is not in the war. It happens all the time.

I.e. Finnish Winter War as you know, Civil war in Spain,various volunteers and partisans in the second world war. EU citizens of Moslem origin who fight with.

It's just individuals following their heart and passion irregardless of what their country thinks. No doubt some individual Russians are there fighting, but not in an official capacity representing the Russian state.l

Originally Posted by Hanna

Yes, and what's so shocking about that? It's passionate individuals who are representing themselves only, definitely not on the orders of Putin.

It's completely normal for people to join in conflicts where they sympathise with one side or the other, even if their country is not in the war. It happens all the time.

I.e. Finnish Winter War as you know, Civil war in Spain,various volunteers and partisans in the second world war. EU citizens of Moslem origin who fight with.

It's just individuals following their heart and passion irregardless of what their country thinks. No doubt some individual Russians are there fighting, but not in an official capacity representing the Russian state.l

Yes, I'm sure it's just innocent passion only. Girkin admitted he was in the FSB until 2013 and was a retired Colonel. If you can't see the conflict of interest and problem there....But, why do I bother replying to you. LOL.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Yes, I'm sure it's just innocent passion only. Girkin admitted he was in the FSB until 2013 and was a retired Colonel. If you can't see the conflict of interest and problem there....But, why do I bother replying to you. LOL.

There are Serbs, Swedes, Greeks, Poles, French, Spaniards, Canadians, Americans fighting on rebels' side on the East of Ukraine. Should "the world" punish those countries too?
An American rebel in Ukraine | The Wider Image | Reuters
Несколько волонтеров из Испании прибыли в Донецк для помощи населению |
Греки воюют в рядах ополченцев ДН

Originally Posted by hddscan

There are Serbs, Swedes, Greeks, Poles, French, Spaniards, Canadians, Americans fighting on rebels' side on the East of Ukraine. Should "the world" punish those countries too?
An American rebel in Ukraine | The Wider Image | Reuters
Несколько волонтеров из Испании прибыли в Донецк для помощи населению |
Греки воюют в рядах ополченцев ДН

Was anybody accusing those countries with supplying military equipment, personnel etc. at the beginning?!? Are any of them in the FSB or Russian army or part of the Government of any of those countries? How does a section of territory of a country suddenly have full blown military equipment that can take on an army anyway (without assistance)?

I am fully against both sides but your question is rather ridiculous, sorry.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Was anybody accusing those countries with supplying military equipment, personnel etc. at the beginning?!?.

And that's a problem, don't you think? That all those countries "involved" in the conflict but only Russia gets the blame.