There are stubborn rumors circulating around the web, that there are decorations built in Quatar that represent the Libyan capital for training purposes. All so called TV reports about victorious rebels are rumored to be shot there, not the actual Libyan capital:
Here's a 'proof' pic:
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There are three undisputed facts for the time being. There were at least some special ops in the city whose goal was to assist the landing wave. Let's think it was a FIRST wave for the time being.
Second: some people with tri-colored flags were able to get through to the city suburbs at least. We'll talk about it later. Third: there were very big inconsitencies in the TV reports from Tripoli.
There's no question right now that the task of elimination of these diversionary groups was assigned to Khamis's brigade. Brigade is rather a grand term, its numbers were about 7 thousand people in the beginning of the conflict, right now there's hardly a half of that. Nevertheless, 3 - 3.5 thousand people belonging to one of the best regiments of the Libyan army represents a formidable force. And they're loyal which is probably more important than anything in this chaos. Obviously NATO took this into account and the appearance of the bandits on the suburbs had probably the only reason to force Khamis to withdraw its regiment from the frontline. The most recent communications from there stated that he was somewhere near Zliten (about 2-3 hours of forced march from Tripoli). In other words, the report stating that some commanding officer had betrayed Gaddafi and opened the front is, most probably, a lie. There's other reason to consider it a lie though:
The landing operation undoubtedly had the one and one only goal - the elimination of Gaddafi. There simply no other military goals there. If the commander of Tripoli defences had defected this would give NATO the valuable information about Gaddafi's whereabouts since as a commander of the defence he simply had to report to him daily and it's hard to believe that he was brought to Gaddafi blindfolded each time. He must have been within a small circle of people who knew exactly where Gaddafi is. NATO however arranges a bloodbath in the city and bomb large areas - apparently not being aware of Gaddafi's true location. There's a conclusion - there were no defection. The same reason applies to Gaddafi's sons - they too had to know where their father was.
The second conclusion: it is obvious that the landing force's chances of survival are minimal. Therefore its task was to arrange some bit atrocities in the city which technically was quite easy. Tripoli is located on the coast and that infamous Green square is quite close to the sea. There are always many people there and therefore a landing force suddenly appearing there could quite literally 'cut' through the crowd. Why this was necessary?
For a 'picture'. So that the world would see the victims. Many victims. In order for the Libyan government themselves to annouce these wild figures. And we also need videos for proof. They have them and they broadcast them a wave after wave. And in any video - Tripoli is bathed in city lights while NATO bombs gas and power stations and the main problem there is the lack of power. How so, if recharging a cell phone is a big problem there?
Libya is nearly cut off from Internet, but nevertheless all videos appear regularly on YouTube, how so?
Look closer on these videos - compare the date the video was made and the date it was uploaded. I'm sure you'll find many inconsistencies there too. It appear there is somewhere a working time machine.
We already know about these decorations built in Quatar for military training - see the pic, you'll see where half of these reports were made.
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Two persons reporting from Libya have been able to get material out, don't know if there are time inconsistencies.
A link for Ramil's story:http://cyaegha-c.livejournal.com/460657.html . & http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26155
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Mass-media lies, Ramil is right. I want to pay attention at this site:
За Каддафи и его народ! | For Qaddafi and his people. We support Libya! Все для фронта, все для победы!
This site is obviously under a DDoS attack. Isn't it interesting? Couldn't get through 5 times in a row. The attack is weak though.Originally Posted by Marcus
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Interesting info Ramil. This war just makes me sick!
And when they are done with Libya, next stop on the roadmap appears to be Syria which in many ways is quite a decent country, trying to do its best for its own citizens and millions of refugees from Iraq and Palestine.
The things that scares me the most is that the US apparently had a plan back in 2001 or whenever it was.... that they were going to take out Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Sudan and Somalia.
This is from the famous General Wesley Clark speech where he revealed a secret plan that he as a four star general had taken part of.
I mean bloody hell that makes you wonder if ANYTHING happens by chance. It is truly creepy.
I mean were there fake blogs and Twitter account in the conflict too? Did someone spur the revolutionists on, or was it genuine?
As for the idea that Col. Khaddaffi was a brutal oppressive dictator; Libya was apparently one of the best organised states in Africa with a good educational system and likewise healthcare. Possibly the best organised country in North Africa. Somebody who I personally know and respect (an arabic speaking woman who's an old friend of mine)
has several times mentioned that she has a high view of Khaddaffi.
No doubt he had many faults both as a person and in his administration, but there are plenty more brutal regimes in Africa...
It's disgusting that NATO has got involved in what should have been an internal business in Libya for the Libyans to sort out. The idea of democracy in Africa is really rather ludicrous and there will not be any form of proper democracy replacing Khaddaffi, just someone who is pro US and willing to do the type of oil deals that the NATO countries are interested in.
Anyone who fails to understand what is going on with this conflict is naive beyone belief.
В Минске Посольство Ливии сменило флаг на повстанческий.
Still there are not as many Lybians standing for the mad dog as many supporters of such regimes on here are trying to "show", are there?
They want the Wheelus military base also, as part of their 'base world' like Bondsteel in the Balkans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel. It is part of their full spectrum dominance strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance . Wheelus used to be a US base ~40 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelus_Air_Base .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitiga_...tional_Airport
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I'm not going to comment on all the BS you posted, but this one is just astounding. So, you're saying the murderers who have already killed over 2,200 people are trying to do their best for the citizens? I wonder then what their worst is... And what's wrong with you in the first place? How can one ever stand for murderers and bloody criminals unless s/he is totally insane or is the same kind of person???
Похоже на разведку боем. На окраинах напали бандиты и прочая шпана, отвлекли войска. В это время с моря высадился десант. Его задачей было посмотреть как отреагируют войска, как быстро подтянутся, кто, в каком количестве, с каким вооружением. Как быстро смогут уничтожить десант. Попутно десант попыталсяуничтожить или захватить членов семьи Каддафи.
Well, for now you cannot 100% believe anything about that war, because it is still ongoing and spreading propaganda and misinformation is normal part of any war.
Because - if I can read something on the net - so can Gaddafi and rebels.
Even if victory in Tripoli is false - it is a good way to harm morale for Gaddafi troops anyway.
Yeah, and Baltics should have remained in Russia.As for the idea that Col. Khaddaffi was a brutal oppressive dictator; Libya was apparently one of the best organised states in Africa with a good educational system and likewise healthcare. Possibly the best organised country in North Africa.
No doubt he had many faults both as a person and in his administration, but there are plenty more brutal regimes in Africa...
Just like Gorbachew and some western leaders wanted.
Yes, I have met a few people that are whining for USSR and want it back too. (poor miserable losers)Somebody who I personally know and respect (an arabic speaking woman who's an old friend of mine)
has several times mentioned that she has a high view of Khaddaffi.
Watching his speeches - it is clear that old nutjob (Gaddafi) has lost his mind.
Because my country was oppressed by brutal and inhuman regime for decades - I strongly support people from Arab world that want to get rid of their dictatorships.
Of course there will be a lot of chaos and uncertainty - just like after USSR collapse - but after that they might be better of if they choose a democracy and do not let another dictator to take power (most of former USSR failed to do it).
Серп и молот - смерть и голод!
It's one thing if the people feel strongly enough about the question to sort it out themselves, which is arguably what happened in Latvia etc.
It's a completely different thing if an alliance of superpowers decide that they want to participate and "protect civilians" by bombing cities or what-not.... which is what's happening in Libya.
And interestingly, overthrowing Khaddaffi has been on the US "roadmap" for at least a decade, if the Wesley Clark speech is anything to go by (and he should know). Britain has hated Libya since Lockerbie accident and was even more keen to get in toppling Khaddaffi.
I think the Libyans might find that they got into bed with somebody entirely different than they thought. As people across the world can tell them, once the Americans get a foot in, they NEVER leave.
Mark my word, next step is that a bunch of "consultants" or "advisors" or something will come in and "educate" the Libyans about how to set up a democracy.... and (more importantly) what to do with their oil.
If they are really lucky they might get a NATO airbase on their territory to "protect" their democracy.
We were very lucky that we regained our independence peacefully. Egypt and Tunis also overthrew their dictators relatively peacefully - and NATO did not bomb them.It's one thing if the people feel strongly enough about the question to sort it out themselves, which is arguably what happened in Latvia etc.
But instead of resigning (like Mubarak) Gaddafi decided to start a bloodbath.
So - yes - when some dictator is slaughtering its own people - it is OK to intervene, because human rights are universal and not an "internal thing".
Soviet years have trained us to take anything Russia publishes with caution anyway.Thank God we have the notoriously reliable Russian tabloid press to give air time to the two or three people on the planet who really know what's going on!
Especially if it is anti-American.
Oil is much cheaper to simply buy and not to wage war for it.and (more importantly) what to do with their oil.
Most oil exporting countries are not producing anything else anyway.
It is better to buy their (cheap) oil and to sell them (expensive) industrial production (cars, electronics, etc) - (like Germany and Russia for example).
But you agree that average soviet citizen did not have any say in how to use USSR natural resources.Again, you're probably too young to know, but people did live far more happier in USSR than they are now.Just like natural resources of USSR was not USSR people's property, but were exploited by communist elite building useless shit like nuclear weapons.
If party decided to build more nuclear bombs - which really are useless shit - because - what do you do with that many?
Then they built nuclear bombs - does not matter that shops were empty and you had to wait in looooooooooong queue to get something TO EAT.
And which are these "happier people"? Chekists? Communist elite?
Серп и молот - смерть и голод!
More people have been killed in sub-Saharan Africa than the entire population of Libya. Where is the intervention?
There won't be. Intervention is not done for humanitarian reasons. 'Humanitarian intervention' is simply an excuse because people believe that.
That's an argument in favour of interventions that didn't happen, not an argument against those that did.
Does anybody watch CNN? If so then how it could be that we all see the same reporting and understand it diametrically different? So strange...
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor....compound.cnn? - Sara Sidner reporting
Jesus. I think reading this thread caused my IQ to drop several points.
What do you mean by that?
Anyway, the UN mandate was to protect the civilians in Libya and frankly I have no idea why Russia for example went along with this idea.
So how does a NATO hunt for Khaddaffi save civilians in Libya?
This war just makes me totally sick - things should have been allowed to take their course in Libya without anyone elses involvement.
The Libyans were proud and happy with Khaddaffi for quite a long time. If they suddenly change their mind it's nobody's business but theirs, and they should sort it out.
Suddenly the rebels are offering a number of million dollars for the capture of Khaddaffi... Who gave them the millions.
And who will set up a new government there now?
The Libyans can wave goodbye to the control of their oil now.
Yes, and Baltic people lived happily under USSR occupation.The Libyans were proud and happy with Khaddaffi for quite a long time.
Libyans never had control in the first place - oil was under Gaddafi's control.The Libyans can wave goodbye to the control of their oil now.
Just like natural resources of USSR was not USSR people's property, but were exploited by communist elite building useless shit like nuclear weapons.
They did not suddenly changed - they used opportunity when such things happened in whole region and neighbouring dictatorships could not help them, because they had problems of their own.If they suddenly change their mind it's nobody's business but theirs
Just like Warsaw pact countries overthrew their communist governments when they saw that there will not be backing from USSR anymore.
Latvians did not suddenly decide to leave USSR for example - you might not know this, but armed resistance against Soviet occupation happened till 1956 - more than 16 years.
Well I hope that people of Libya will do it, not some bloodthirsty dictator anymore.And who will set up a new government there now?
Серп и молот - смерть и голод!
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