Thread: Turkey strikes targets in Syria in retaliation for shelling deaths

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Are you out of your mind? What's going to happen is Murat would kill us all the very next time we show up to get more ammo!

Турки сами могли подсказать "сирийской оппозиции": "ребята, стрельните вот сюда. Много народу не убъёте, а повод вам помочь дадите". Вы что, не знаете что такое провокация? Немцы не пожалели свой Рейхстаг, чтобы обвинить коммунистов. А тут максимум - кого-то из крестьян заденет. Я уверен, что политики в Турции - это не ангелы, а люди, умеющие жертвовать (особенно, если жертвовать нужно не собой).

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Can you see your assumption is rather close to absurd in practice?

Ну, если агент Запада говорит, что версия абсурдна, значит ей можно верить.

Originally Posted by Юрка

Ну, если агент Запада говорит, что версия абсурдна, значит ей можно верить.

Of course not. But if an agent of the East is saying it's true, that you can believe.

See? There's neither end nor conclusion to that kind of argumentation.

Originally Posted by Юрка

Турки сами могли подсказать "сирийской оппозиции": "ребята, стрельните вот сюда. Много народу не убъёте, а повод вам помочь дадите". Вы что, не знаете что такое провокация? Немцы не пожалели свой Рейхстаг, чтобы обвинить коммунистов. А тут максимум - кого-то из крестьян заденет.

Ok, I know what is provocation. Among the other things, provocation is something that works either way. If a round is landed on Akcakale, that is clearly a provocation. But, whose provocation is that? You're saying it was the opposition's provocation. Somebody could say, it was Assad's provocation. Someone else could say, it was Turkish provocation (yes, deploy some special Turkish troops across the border and fire their own town from Syria's border). Just to name a few: there could also be Iran's provocation, the US provocation, France provocation, China's provocation, and the last but not the least, the Antarctic penguins' provocation. There's no end to that and it could be twisted any way you want.

In my opinion, if those shells came not from the Syrian army loyal to Assad, there should be official denial and denouncing of the incident by Damascus. Walid al-Moualem should hold a press conference and clearly say something like: "Look, guys, it's not us, somebody's trying to provoke the war between Syria and Turkey." Was there that kind of response by the Syrian government or I'm missing something?

Originally Posted by Юрка

Я уверен, что политики в Турции - это не ангелы, а люди, умеющие жертвовать (особенно, если жертвовать нужно не собой).

In general, I agree with that.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

In my opinion, if those shells came not from the Syrian army loyal to Assad, there should be official denial and denouncing of the incident by Damascus. Walid al-Moualem should hold a press conference and clearly say something like: "Look, guys, it's not us, somebody's trying to provoke the war between Syria and Turkey." Was there that kind of response by the Syrian government or I'm missing something?

Ха-ха. Да, пропустили. Информационную войну Запада против Сирии.
Запад сначала заткнул Сирии рот, а потом жалуется, что нет информации из Сирии. Ну, не лицемерие?..

Originally Posted by Юрка

Ха-ха. Да, пропустили. Информационную войну Запада против Сирии.
Запад сначала заткнул Сирии рот, а потом жалуется, что нет информации из Сирии. Ну, не лицемерие?..

That is a pure propaganda. On October 2, 2012 Walid al-Moualem is able to convey his message that "the United States and its allies support terrorism in his country" Syria says US and allies support terrorism - Middle East - Al Jazeera English and when it comes to the shelling on October 4, 2012 he is suddenly quiet? The shelling is going on for a week and there was no way to even slip a short message like that through the cracks? That you blame on the information war?

"А чей это сайт?.." That is Al Jazeera, my friend, and not the BBC. Now, an intelligent guy like you (the school medals, the corporation, etc.) has nothing but to start making stuff up to support your point.. A real pity..

Propaganda is like a religion of a kind. If it can't explain something, it appeals to you with: "JUST BELIEVE! The explanation will come later!"