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Thousands protests against Putin after Russia vote | Reuters
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Anyone participate or see anything?
Thousands protests against Putin after Russia vote | Reuters
Scott
Looks like Russians recognize the 'Putin' police state.
Russians seem to be doing what other European citizens fail to do, criticize the system and cast protest votes. I have a question: are the spoiled votes counted? Normally, this is a protest vote in principle but usually one can check that they abstain and that is recorded.
I guess it's probably disregarded in Russia since there's so much corruption and fraud with the voting system in Russia?
But, the idea that Russians realize that they need to protest and not accept these parties is good. Soon, they will assert Democracy doesn't work and they will be right. But, hopefully, they don't resort to wanting just another authoritarian government. Imho, the problem in Russia is the widespread corruption and culture of unethical behavior. Bribes, unethical justice system and corruption that persists allowing thefts and acquisition of power.
From my reading, I would say there are no worthy candidates to vote for. Russians should protest that everyone should abstain or vote 'for no one' and demand this gets recorded.
There is no choice and the 'democracy' that the Russian leaders praise is a fraud. But, Russians still have to be careful. It seems anytime there is division and protests, some special interest organization obtains riches from the Bankers and funds these fraudulent 'revolutionaries' to tyrannize Russia (aiding in its collapse to enforce and implement more fascist/'communist' rule). Look at history for examples. In the meantime, these articles are of interest.
Vote, Spoil, Rally: Opposition's Duma Choices | News | The Moscow Times
Why opposition is urging voters to sabotage ballots in Russia election - CSMonitor.com
Russia set to repeat Soviet mistakes: Economist | Video | Reuters.com
Телеканал "Вести 24" (тот самый у которого 140% было) сообщает: "На улицах Москвы идет празднование победы Единой России" (с)
I just read the comments on RT. WOW! I didn't know the CIA, NATO, Israel (Jews in general but mostly Zionists), Globalists, NGOs, The West, Western Media, Western Capitalists/Corporations, MTV, the internet, the USA as a whole and I personally agitated the populace and financed the protests. (sorry if I left anyone out)
Came here for some sane dialogue. I'll check back later.
Ни по одному центральному каналу ни слова о том, что в двух крупнейших городах страны полиция и военные разгоняют демонстрации, что за 2 дня задержано больше тысячи человек. Только празднование "чистой победы".
http://i43.tinypic.com/3533y90.png
So you propose Russians to bear out with Putin for another 30 years? or better till he dies?
I can say one thing. I personaly just tired of the same faces all the time, I want something new.
If there'll be something bad, Russians will continue to fight. But how the situation is now, ther just can't be worse! I yesterday looked at candidates for presedental elections in France and was crying, how much choise they have compared to us.
I we destroy current dictatorship, there will appear many new parties I have no doubt about it. (Navalniy, Chodorkovskiy, Kosianov etc etc)
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I wonder when did they have time to make flags with "pure victory" words. It looks like they desperately try to prove that they didn't cheat. lol
there were arrested more then 300 people, many will be arrested for 15 days.
interesting that some sourses tell that the aithorities invited in Moscow, Chechyen regiment of Kadirov which is situated in the North-Est of Moscow to deal with demontrations in case. Putin and Surkov don't trust Russian military which can side with demonstrants.
So our "democratic" leaders prefer to oppress ordinary people not with Police force but with Chechyen military which usually fight with dengerous terrorists and basicaly hate Russians.
Still, don't wait for Arab Spring, it'll never happen, we are not Arabs.
That's not the worst thing.Quote:
So you propose Russians to bear out with Putin for another 30 years? or better till he dies?
Yukionna, it's really not my place to have any opinion.. But, this could be a good thing, because many Arabs have died since this began..====> Current death toll since the beginning of Arab Spring.. 30,634–37,228+ (International estimate, ongoing) in less than 2 years.. =\
I don' think the protests are really huge. Nothing new has happened. I'm against parliaments, elections and "democracy" in general. I'm against the protests as well.
Во-первых, для того, чтобы учиться в школе и институте. Во-вторых, он не самый бесполезный. К чему вопрос?Quote:
А зачем вы учили(учите) этот буржуйский язык Англии?
In Russia there is no democracy and has never been...Quote:
I'm against parliaments, elections and "democracy" in general.
So unless you have lived in a democratic country you are against something you have not experienced.
Ну вы им явно владеете лучше, чем большинство изучавших в школе и инсте. Думал догадаетесь, раз нет, то объясню - если вы против тех атрибутов цивилизованной страны, то вы не хотите жить в цивилизованном обществе и быть цивилизованным человеком. А таким людям обычно иностранные языки и иностранный мир не интересны. И у меня и возник вопрос, почему вам это интересно.
Спасибо за комплимент.Quote:
Ну вы им явно владеете лучше, чем большинство изучавших в школе и инсте.
I bet North Korea wouldn't make a "mistake" like this.
Fox News and CNN passing off riots in GREECE as protests in Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgJlSsOJKfk
I am not saying RT is the ultimate objective news channel, but as a European I've seen these silly "foreign" news stories from countries I know well so many times. It's amazing what passes for foreign news on some channels.
Meanwhile, blaming the US and Hillary Clinton for lack of confidence of voting inside Russia seems like going to far!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuTabo653pQ
RT is the most accurate "reporting".
Democracy isn't easy. Please tell me of a better form of government.
Lampada
Меня Эрик спрашивал о моей национальности и вы почему-то не вмешались. :unknown:
Переводика -
Здесь, по-моему, дело написано.
Ну, допустим. Но, тогда напрашивается простой вопрос: на каких основаниях Вы считаете нынешнюю власть законной? А если законная власть - это КПРФ, а ЕР - незконный узурпатор, пытающийся силой свергнуть законную власть? А раз так, тогда именно ЕР - зачинщик беспорядков, поджигатель гражданской войны и все остальные эпитеты, на которые не скупится цитируемая Вами статья. Кто решает какая власть законная, а какая - нет?
Теперь, ещё момент. Ну, допустим на улицы Москвы народ выгнали деньги Нью-Йорка. По этой же логике, на улицах Нью-Йорка народ протестует на деньги Москвы. Проделайте ту же простую работу, что и автор статьи и Вы в этом убедитесь. Протесты на Wall Street и подобные им есть просто попытка сместить ультралиберальную долларовую Систему на нефтеденьги Кремля. Репетиция провалена, спектакль начинается. Такое же точно дело. :D
На тех основаниях, что она есть.Quote:
на каких основаниях Вы считаете нынешнюю власть законной?
That's not far from true.The problem is that the stability is under threat. The USA have actually promised "Arab Spring" in Russia.Quote:
I didn't know the CIA, NATO, Israel (Jews in general but mostly Zionists), Globalists, NGOs, The West, Western Media, Western Capitalists/Corporations, MTV, the internet, the USA as a whole and I personally agitated the populace and financed the protests.
Proof?Quote:
Yes, and Russia promised the "Arab Spring" on the Wall Street
Ah, the proof goes as usual:
1. First, the 'official movement page' Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for World Revolution proclaims the following:
2. Who would benefit from the Wall Street movement? The capitalists? No. The Americans? No - should the movement succeed and any drastic changes in the world bank system administration occur, the USD as well as all the US government bonds and lost of other securities would fall causing some catastrophic events in the world order. The only forces who could benefit from that situation are the resources-exporting countries. Among the major ones - the Russian Federation.Quote:
3. Along with RF there are other resource-exporting countries, but the major players have already been brought down by the Arab Spring. The Russian Federation is the last chance for the resource-exporting world to gain dominance.
4. The conclusion: Russia clearly benefits from the Wall Street movement.
5. The scenario of the Arab Springs requires some Internet-distributed initiatives supported by some of the mass-media. That requires money. Who would give money to support the anti-banking movement? Someone within the US? Unlikely, as all the major players in the US would lose and/or not benefit, so they would be reluctant to spend money.
6. To sum it up, all the money to support the WS movement came from the oil-rubles and everything was orchestrated by Kremlin.
QED. :D
PS. A proof not a bit worse than that produced by the so-called 'patriotic forces' in Russia.
You'd probably have to start a group! Find a catchy name for the group, try to get interviewed on one of the big US based news channels. Expose some real or made-up scandal in the military or something about Russian foreign policy. Tell everyone who wants to listen that Russia is an evil dictatorship and that you have inside info about Putins evil plans... Then spread the rumour that you are persecuted and harassed by the authorities. (I suppose that might almost be true at this point...) When you've done all this, just google grants for human rights activists (or democracy activists) in Russia, start applying and watch the money roll in. :bigsmile: Not long after this, the CIA will probably come knocking on your door!
Знаете, хоть я и терпеть не могу ЕдРо, я не хочу, чтобы победу одержали эти люди:
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