Thread: Syria

What's the evidence for such claims? Accusations or rape is just ridiculous delirium that the West throws at any army they did not like

The claims are being made by refugees and people in Syria willing to speak up about it.
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starting from the Goebbels accusations against the Red Army. There is no basis to believe that any army ever commited any large-scale rape against even foreign people not to say own people.

I suppose it's just a coincidence that German hospital records show that abortion rates began to surge in parts of Germany within months of being occupied by the Red Army. The thousands of personal accounts from women claiming to have been raped are lies, just as are the accounts of men who served in the Red Army claiming to have witnessed it. I am not sure why so many are so skeptical against this idea--nobody is judging Russia today for these actions, nor does it doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the Soviet Union in its victory in the Great Patriotic War. Many rapes of German women likely occurred by American soldiers as well as Soviet. I take objection to your statement that there is no basis to believe that any army ever committed large-scale rape, since, historically, that was actually a norm for many cultures post victory, and they freely admitted it and wrote about it.

It is quite evident that Syria is putting down an armed rebellion supplied from abroad.

This does not justify the massacre of innocent men, women, and children.

Originally Posted by zxc

The claims are being made by refugees and people in Syria willing to speak up about it.

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This does not justify the massacre of innocent men, women, and children.

Nobody here is "justifying the massacre of innocent men, women and children". Do you think that either Annixx or I support that?

Your problem is that you have only seen ONE side of the story, namely the story that is being constantly touted by the so called "free press" in whatever country you live.

• Do you realise that it is possible to take a news event and ONLY report those facts that suit your agenda? This can help purvey a vision that is completely different to what actually happens. Some journalists do this consciously, others unconsciously by just looking for, and thus finding, evidence that fits their view of events.

• Alternatively, you can choose to receive news reports only from those sources that report news that suit your agenda, and not report news from their opponents. (e.g. in the Syria conflict, accept as fact everything that the rebels say - there are practically no Western journalists in Syria at the moment, they receive 2nd 3rd hand information passed on by the rebels to Reuters etc).

• Or you can be a bit sketchy on the background details, saying "50 died in Damascus.. blah, blah" and omitting the fact that it was actually the rebels that killed them, rather than the government forces (this has been happening a lot in the Syria conflict).

These types of media tricks have been happening for a century; it was standard fare for both sides during the Cold War, it is used by both sides in the Palestine conflict, etc, etc.

It is up to you if you want to be a media SHEEP, simply following the herd, swallowing everything that media rams down your throat... As long as it stays at that... !

But if you think that what you have seen in mainstream media about Syria is the full truth, and particularly, if you believe that this is justification for any form of military intervention in Syria, then you have been manipulated, similarly to Germans in the 3rd Reich, to mention a rather extreme example of how educated people with some moral integrity can be manipulated by a media and state agenda into believing that war is right and all the other lies that we know they were told there.

It is very sad that this conflict is taking place and that people are dying.

But if there was a violent conflict in your country, would you want a larger country on the other side of the eart, like China, to start arming the anti-government forces...... then step in and set up shop and start pursuing their own interests while ostensibly saving your people from themselves.... And what if you discovered, by the time China set up military bases and were patrolling the streets in your town, that they had an agenda going back as far as 15 years, for taking down the government in your country...?

This analogy corresponds very closely to what we see happening in Syria right now, only it haven't played out to the end yet... But it is pretty clear what the end game is.

One more thing you can take for whatever it is, or what it means to you: The whole (relatively large) local Christian minority in Syria support Assad: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_1...tand-by-assad/