Thread: Speaking about Superpowers..... CHINA?!

BTW, in Russia there is the government program to boost population growth. It's called "материнский капитал". Mothers are given money for each newborn (or adopted) child, starting from the second one. Current amount is 387640 roubles (10000 euro), adjusted for inflation every year. This sum of money can be used in three ways only (fully or partly):
- as a payment for child's higher education in the future;
- as a payment for housing improvement (e.g. mortgage payment);
- or as a pension contribution for mother (note: Russian women currently retire at the age of 55).

I hope these measures will make Russian birth rate go up.

Perhaps Russia could accept some immigration to the far Eastern parts, from China?
I mean, for example allowing people that fit certain criteria to immigrate. I assume things are better in Russia than in most of China and that there'd be people interested in immigrating...
Or would you disagree with that on the cultural/racial grounds?

Personally I'm not against controlled immigration from China to Russia. But we should ask our Far East residents, because western Russians may have never encountered Chinese people apart from this Chinese salesman who became an Internet phenomenon in Russia because of his funny appearance and pronunciation:

Awesome video! Although I am not at "far east", I would say that it is OK for Chinese to have 3-5 percent of population. The problem is: very few people are living on our eastern lands. May be, Moscow could allocate a couple million men to there?

Surely you have heard that the Chinese sometime perform forced abortions on some women who are found to be breaking this law

If government performs forced abortions - that is a bad thing - and civilized countries should not do that.
But I see nothing wrong in population growth control - If my government can try to boost it - Chinese can try to reduce it (forced abortions are not the only way).
Globally population control is needed, because in last ten years world population grew by 1 billion.
And after 10 years there will be another one billon.
But world resources are running out and are becoming more expensive.

Western Europe is not a problem, because there population growth rate already is low or negative:
Population growth rate by country - Thematic Map - World

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I would say that it is OK for Chinese to have 3-5 percent of population

How about 30-50 and Chinese as official language?

Originally Posted by nulle

How about 30-50 and Chinese as official language?

No, thanks, I am not inspired with such perspective
However, it can become the reality: if Russia does not develop its huge territories, then someone else can come and do that.

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

No, thanks, I am not inspired with such perspective
However, it can become the reality: if Russia does not develop its huge territories, then someone else can come and do that.

No military action can accomplish that, but if they seep gradually across the border then there soon will be more Chinese-speaking villages and towns in Siberia (there are several already). This process cannot be stopped. The only possible way is to try to assimilate and 'Russify' them (or their children, at least).

The only possible way is to try to assimilate and 'Russify' them (or their children, at least).

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By the way, Hanna, I realize that nulle has some strong biases, but I don't think that you, personally, have the slightest business jumping on him for bias, inconsistency, hypocrisy, myopia, or whatever. It's not like you're guiltless in these departments.

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

By the way, Hanna, I realize that nulle has some strong biases, but I don't think that you, personally, have the slightest business jumping on him for bias, inconsistency, hypocrisy, myopia, or whatever. It's not like you're guiltless in these departments.

Hanna has biases, but nulle just consists of biases. He doesn't have principles which his ideology is built on but just likes or dislikes certain countries and builds everything on it. He doesn't even write about anything else, about the Russian language, for example (or Latvian or any other language).

Speaking of China... Well, according to Reuters "China has significant economic stakes in Afghanistan" !!! UPDATE 1-NATO head calls on China, Russia to help fund Afghan forces | Reuters

What significantly economic could have there possibly been in Afghanistan????? Afghanistan is a very poor country. Could anybody shed some light? (Ramil, please don't mention drugs... )

All that's being mentioned by Wiki is that:

"After the fall of the Taliban regime after the United States intervention in 2001, however relations between China and Afghanistan had greatly improved and were reestablished. [...] In January 2002, Chairman Karzai visited China ,and met respectively with Chinese President Jiang Zemin and Premier Zhu Rongji. The two sides exchanged the notes of China providing 30 million yuan of emergent material aid and US$1 million in cash to Afghanistan. President Jiang Zemin announced that China would provide US$150 million-worth of assistance to Afghanistan for its reconstruction. The 30 million yuan of emergent material aid had been delivered to Kabul by the end of March 2002."

Well, those millions are not that much elsewhere, but in Afghanistan that is a lot of money. Why? Could anybody explain?

I've come to wonder about that amidst another puzzle - when the US troops were in Afghanistan, it seemed that everybody hated the US for that, but now as the US is seriously preparing to withdraw everybody is concerned. Including Russia. BBC Russian - Лента новостей -

So, after all it turns out it was not that bad the US was doing the dirty job, and it was also honorable to despise the US for that. All those famous: "Open up! The democracy had come!" posters... But now, there are concerns over the withdrawal too... Seems like the US is evil either way. What do you think, Hanna? Does it seem like the double-standards to you?

I think the USA is trying to undermine the Chinese government currently, not least by Tibet and Muslim separatism...

I think it is really interesting how the Africans PREFER doing business with China over the West.
Sad, because we have poured SO much money into their countries in aid money. But perhaps understandable too, because of colonialism and current economic exploitation. China seems to treat them fairly and equally, and both parts are happy in the exchange.




For the record, I think that Russia's legacy from the USSR days is still appreciated by some Africans too. That help was quite genuine and respectful, although of course, with a political agenda.