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    Putin Exposing the NWO?

    Do you think that Putin is aware of the NWO and is currently a thorn in the Globalists side? It seems that the USA and NATO countries are ganging up on him and Putin is the voice of reason when it comes to peace.


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    Look like he's reading the speech for the first time
    This is pretty much a face slap to the US but I think he's right
    What he's saying to EU is - make new friends, don't wait until it's too late

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    He's so much more charismatic than Medvedev. I don't always like he's politics but he is very much of a president indeed
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    Vladimir Putin exposes the NWO Part 3 - YouTube!
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    It's quite a time commitment to watch all these videos (a series of 4). It would have been good if you had summarized the points that he is making.

    I like the way that he speaks, it is refreshing. Not so sure I like him though. I think he has had enough time to do something about corruption and financial irregularities in Russia, and that there doesn't seem to be enough results. But what do I know - maybe it is a job that will take decades, if it is possible at all. I agree with his worldview though and I take his point that neither the USA nor the EU has any business preaching to Russia about democracy.
    I would much rather live next door to Russia under Putin, than the USA under

    And yes, NGOs are more often than not means to push some political agenda, while talking about some values or tasks that seem 100% irrefutably good.

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    The USA is becoming quite a police state! Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    The USA is becoming quite a police state! Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".
    Wow, that's brutal! And yes, I think you might be right, sadly. But I think it would happen slowly, and changes towards a police state will be introduced gradually in such a way that most people will not be suspicious - like "protection against terrorism" or something like that. It's particularly tragic when this kind of stuff happens in the USA, since most people there believe that the live in the ultimate democracy that stands for freedom and human rights... If you take Russians for example, they have no illusions and start out with a sceptical view. But one day, a decade from now, Americans might "wake up" and realise, "hey, the evil dictatorship I have been scared of all my life... I am living right in the middle of it...!"

    And this is happenening elsewhere too:
    I just went to renew my passport, an EU nationality. For the passport I had to take a very strange photo, with hair pulled back etc. So that the ear shows. Apparently this is a sort of unique feature. Then THEY TOOK MY FINGER PRINT!!!! I asked why the hell this was (am I a criminal or what???!) and they said it was a new international standard that had been set by the USA.

    Trust Sweden to be the first country that starts following this ridiculous standard - the "friendly" big brother state. And people in this country are so brainwashed about the eternal goodness of the state, that it doesn't even occur to anyone that this might be abused (probably will be!) There was not even a public debate about it.

    Good luck when this "international standard" is introduced in the UK - there will be a revolution! Brits completely refuse to even carry an ID card, or a proper drivers licence. That said, the secret police has virtually unlimited powers if someone is suspected of "terrorism" and there are CCTVs in every corner. But regular citizens are incredibly protective of their privacy.

    Particularly the ever increasing surveillance is worrying me. Cameras everywhere computer records about everyone in a gazillion databases. And what the state doesn't have, some private corporation has.
    There are still newspaper stories about organisations like the Stasi in East Germany. But from the picture I saw in the paper of such a file, it was really nothing compared to the stuff that is saved about people nowadays.

    As you can probably tell - this is a question that really gets me worked up!

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    The speech looks as if it was specially written for easy translation to English!

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    Hanna - Glad to see that you are a thinker! The US is even introducing Airport style personal searches at bus terminals and also have some roadside check points where they do the same. Allin the name of fighting so called terrorism. The Department of Homeland Security has just bought about 450 MILLION rounds of ammunition!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    But from the picture I saw in the paper of such a file, it was really nothing compared to the stuff that is saved about people nowadays.
    Think Facebook...

    Not to protect the privacy violations, but just to be on the neutral side, the government is presented with two rather opposite demands: (i) not to collect any private data, and (ii) to have the sufficient info/proof when there are law violations. For example, Hanna might have rather different opinion of a security camera installed by the entrance to her favourite supermarket if she was robbed but the camera had that moment captured and so the police were able to find the robber. Won't you think? So, there's probably never a perfect solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    The Department of Homeland Security has just bought about 450 MILLION rounds of ammunition!
    Oh my goodness, who are they planning to shoot? One bullet for every citizen in the USA, and some to spare.. huh!?

    Or maybe they are fearing a revolution?

    Imagine if an excellent demagogue came along, someone who knew exactly what strings to pull with Americans, someone with real populistic appeal. If all the poor people, everyone who is worried about the future and all radicals joined up, then something could happen. And in the USA every other person owns a gun.

    Perhaps the Department of Homeland Security got nervous by Occupy Wall Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    The USA is becoming quite a police state! Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".
    I beg to differ; more accurately: the officials who pretend to represent us as a nation don't have any further right to moral authority because they've cried wolf too many times for too many oil barons and Bourbonesque political vengeance tactics. Surely you can't strip each citizen of their individual INALIENABLE moral authority?? Personally, I'm against the institution of this law, but you enter dangerous territory when you judge the moral fiber of a country based on laws that people in the country only talked about trying to pass. Shall we take a look at laws that people talked about trying to pass in the past, in various countries, and then judge those countries and their citizens by this same token? Prima noctum comes to mind..

    Also if the US is becoming a police state... and honestly I'm not arguing that it IS or ISN'T.. but.. if it is, why have I in the last year of preparing myself to take a trip and/or move to Russia, have people given me nothing but warnings about how dangerous it is to bring the common lacsadaisical american mindset toward the government and its laws into Russia? I've been told things such as that, if I am not punctual in regards to my passport, I can actually become stranded in Russia as a transient, with only luck and my embassy to save me from my demise.. I've been told that people of color shouldn't even try to ENTER Russia, because in some places it can be terribly dangerous for them, and the law turns a blind eye toward this and issues of "human rights" are never given a fair spot at the table..... and loads more, which I won't cite here for sake of our mutual sanity..

    Now, I want as much as anyone for a) america not to become a police state and b) for russia not to revert to a totalitarian-minded entity... but, I think it seems a bit soon to decide on these two, with my country's power-seat currently in dispute, and yours still under the same dictatorial individual who has been in power there for over a decade...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Wow, that's brutal! And yes, I think you might be right, sadly. But I think it would happen slowly, and changes towards a police state will be introduced gradually in such a way that most people will not be suspicious - like "protection against terrorism" or something like that. It's particularly tragic when this kind of stuff happens in the USA, since most people there believe that the live in the ultimate democracy that stands for freedom and human rights... If you take Russians for example, they have no illusions and start out with a sceptical view. But one day, a decade from now, Americans might "wake up" and realise, "hey, the evil dictatorship I have been scared of all my life... I am living right in the middle of it...!"

    And this is happenening elsewhere too:
    I just went to renew my passport, an EU nationality. For the passport I had to take a very strange photo, with hair pulled back etc. So that the ear shows. Apparently this is a sort of unique feature. Then THEY TOOK MY FINGER PRINT!!!! I asked why the hell this was (am I a criminal or what???!) and they said it was a new international standard that had been set by the USA.

    Trust Sweden to be the first country that starts following this ridiculous standard - the "friendly" big brother state. And people in this country are so brainwashed about the eternal goodness of the state, that it doesn't even occur to anyone that this might be abused (probably will be!) There was not even a public debate about it.

    Good luck when this "international standard" is introduced in the UK - there will be a revolution! Brits completely refuse to even carry an ID card, or a proper drivers licence. That said, the secret police has virtually unlimited powers if someone is suspected of "terrorism" and there are CCTVs in every corner. But regular citizens are incredibly protective of their privacy.

    Particularly the ever increasing surveillance is worrying me. Cameras everywhere computer records about everyone in a gazillion databases. And what the state doesn't have, some private corporation has.
    There are still newspaper stories about organisations like the Stasi in East Germany. But from the picture I saw in the paper of such a file, it was really nothing compared to the stuff that is saved about people nowadays.

    As you can probably tell - this is a question that really gets me worked up!
    Hanna, I believe the ears thing is related to the technology by which a camera can assimilate facial features.. They claim it's well more accurate than any other ID system and famously "can't be fooled." They developed this tech last milennia, incorporated it first in 1. LONDON, UK and then in 2. MIAMI, FL and since then implemented it in many other places. Memory fails but there's a name for it I can find for you for citation if you like.

    And, humbly, I disagree - we're not becoming a police state, - in fact internally a lot of the Bush-era totalitarian mindset is MELTING and room is opening up for more balanced laws and movements although hampered at every turn by FANATICAL warmongering republicans... no, we (US) are just showing the sort of behavior we're famous for when we're broke. A lot of the things people abroad are seeing/feeling/reading из-США are actually seeming to me like fallout from the ramping up of the ram-horn-headbutt war between our two political parties. Only my opinion.

    If you look at the last two hundred years of US history you will, I wager, see that we ALWAYS act like brats when we run out of money. That's the saddest part, for me. =\
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    Shall we take a look at laws that people talked about trying to pass in the past, in various countries, and then judge those countries and their citizens by this same token? Prima noctum comes to mind..
    Oh, for heaven's sake. As noted in the second sentence of the wiki article about Droit de seigneur (the French equivalent of Latin ius primae noctis):

    There is no historical evidence that such a right ever existed.

    The article goes on to explain that the widespread belief in such a law may have started with the Greek historian Herodotus, who claimed it was an exotic custom of a "barbarian" tribe in Libya. (In other words, Herodotus was quite possibly repeating a "those wacky foreigners" Urban Legend he'd heard secondhand from Greek travelers.) Much later, Voltaire popularized the concept as part of his satires against the ruling classes, and people took Voltaire as gospel.

    P.S. In Latin, noctum is the genitive plural form of nox (night). So prima noctum is ungrammatical, but you could say primarum noctum, which equals первых ночей ("of the first nights"). Or, better yet, just say "the alleged right of a king/lord to deflower his subordinates' brides", in plain English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    Oh, for heaven's sake. As noted in the second sentence of the wiki article about Droit de seigneur (the French equivalent of Latin ius primae noctis):

    There is no historical evidence that such a right ever existed.

    The article goes on to explain that the widespread belief in such a law may have started with the Greek historian Herodotus, who claimed it was an exotic custom of a "barbarian" tribe in Libya. (In other words, Herodotus was quite possibly repeating a "those wacky foreigners" Urban Legend he'd heard secondhand from Greek travelers.) Much later, Voltaire popularized the concept as part of his satires against the ruling classes, and people took Voltaire as gospel.

    P.S. In Latin, noctum is the genitive plural form of nox (night). So prima noctum is ungrammatical, but you could say primarum noctum, which equals первых ночей ("of the first nights"). Or, better yet, just say "the alleged right of a king/lord to deflower his subordinates' brides", in plain English.
    I won't spend much time on this. Три маленькие вещи.

    First, you're right. That was the point I was trying to make. Judge a book by its cover? Make sure you got the right dust jacket on. If we were to judge the character of England - even at that time - based on things that were only talked about, and never became fact, like p.n., it wouldn't be very accurate. About the p.n. itself - like most people I don't know much about it, and always assumed it to be far-fetched, because only Hollywood ever made reference to it in my experience.

    Second, in poor form, I didn't even look up the phrase's correct Latin declension, and I well knew I should have. But I just didn't care. Take that, Mr. Bailey, my high school Latin teacher.

    Third - there was a tribe like that, or so I heard.. but I'm not sure if I've got them confused with the other tribe whose husbands had to sleep together before they were allowed to marry the women in the tribe. Something like that. Тема неинтересно, и не гляжу. )
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    I beg your pardon. But since you apparently take the "Bush-era totalitarian mindset" and the machinations of "FANATICAL warmongering Republicans" sine grano salis, I assumed that you were referencing the alleged "first night" law in the same utterly unskeptical way.

    My bad.

    P.S. Here's something to consider: the Iraq War and things like the Patriot Act were dubious ideas, but at the same time there were essentially rational justifications for both of them. (For example, the US was attacked on 9/11 by foreign nationals residing legally in America, and lack of information-sharing between the FBI and CIA may have been a factor that contributed to the success of the attack -- so the Patriot Act, even if over-broad and perhaps a "slippery slope", contained provisions responding to both of these real-life problems.) Of course, "rational" does not mean "a good idea in hindsight"!

    P.P.S. There is also the famous dictum "Hanlon's Razor" -- "Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, ignorance, or simply faulty analysis of facts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    and lack of information-sharing between the FBI and CIA may have been a factor that contributed to the success of the attack --
    I don't think that there was any lack of information sharing at all. Many governments warned the USA of the impending attack - INCLUDING THE TALIBAN government themselves! Most people are not aware of that. It appears that the attack was ALLOWED to occur. The Patriot Act was already written and ready to be implemented long before. All they needed was an excuse. And then against all reason they went into Afghanistan to remove the Taliban.

    Top general Wesley Clark even has stated publicly many times that he was informed and quite disturbed of the plan to invade Iraq BEFORE USA even had troops in Afghanistan.
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    Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".
    Tax evasion is not freedom.
    It is stealing from those who pay taxes.
    THEY TOOK MY FINGER PRINT
    Well - they took my fingerprints too.
    I don't see what's bad about this?
    Anyway - I have never been stopped by police and asked to show my ID/Passport/whatever anywhere in the EU. (except driver's licence to cops that pulled me over)
    Last year I visited Estonia, took my passport with me and no one asked me to show it.
    I was not required to stop on the border too.

    EU is actually reducing travel restrictions and control of its citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nulle View Post
    Tax evasion is not freedom.
    It is stealing from those who pay taxes.
    The Right to travel is a Common Law Right protected under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. It has nothing to do with income taxes which are not. You must be tried and found guilty by a jury of your peers of some major offence before your Rights can be taken by the State. This new proposed law will take the passports off people who are simply accused by some unknown bureaucrat.

    Also, it is not stealing to refuse to pay income tax. The 1913 Constitutional Amendment which arguably implemented the tax on labor was never properly ratified and pushed through the system by the Bankers in a scheme to collect money from the people in order to finance the printing of the money and the interest on the money that the people were charged. The money is made out of thin air by the central bank.

    The Grace Commission Report authorized by Reagan reported that all of the people's federal income tax is used to pay the banks back . None of it goes for what you think it goes to like the infrastructure. It is a scam. A true patriot refuses to pay this tax. They do the same in your country too. People are starting to find out about this. Perhaps that is why the DHS has ordered 450 million rounds of ammunition and trucks like the one below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmixiv View Post
    The speech looks as if it was specially written for easy translation to English!
    Many of his speeches are directed at us. I am listening. I want our president to be a patriot like Putin. If our president became a patriot America and Russia would be united at the Bering Straight.

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