Thread: Putin Exposing the NWO?

The USA is becoming quite a police state! Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".

Originally Posted by DDT

The USA is becoming quite a police state! Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".

Wow, that's brutal! And yes, I think you might be right, sadly. But I think it would happen slowly, and changes towards a police state will be introduced gradually in such a way that most people will not be suspicious - like "protection against terrorism" or something like that. It's particularly tragic when this kind of stuff happens in the USA, since most people there believe that the live in the ultimate democracy that stands for freedom and human rights... If you take Russians for example, they have no illusions and start out with a sceptical view. But one day, a decade from now, Americans might "wake up" and realise, "hey, the evil dictatorship I have been scared of all my life... I am living right in the middle of it...!"

And this is happenening elsewhere too:
I just went to renew my passport, an EU nationality. For the passport I had to take a very strange photo, with hair pulled back etc. So that the ear shows. Apparently this is a sort of unique feature. Then THEY TOOK MY FINGER PRINT!!!! I asked why the hell this was (am I a criminal or what???!) and they said it was a new international standard that had been set by the USA.

Trust Sweden to be the first country that starts following this ridiculous standard - the "friendly" big brother state. And people in this country are so brainwashed about the eternal goodness of the state, that it doesn't even occur to anyone that this might be abused (probably will be!) There was not even a public debate about it.

Good luck when this "international standard" is introduced in the UK - there will be a revolution! Brits completely refuse to even carry an ID card, or a proper drivers licence. That said, the secret police has virtually unlimited powers if someone is suspected of "terrorism" and there are CCTVs in every corner. But regular citizens are incredibly protective of their privacy.

Particularly the ever increasing surveillance is worrying me. Cameras everywhere computer records about everyone in a gazillion databases. And what the state doesn't have, some private corporation has.
There are still newspaper stories about organisations like the Stasi in East Germany. But from the picture I saw in the paper of such a file, it was really nothing compared to the stuff that is saved about people nowadays.

As you can probably tell - this is a question that really gets me worked up!

Originally Posted by Hanna

But from the picture I saw in the paper of such a file, it was really nothing compared to the stuff that is saved about people nowadays.

Think Facebook...

Not to protect the privacy violations, but just to be on the neutral side, the government is presented with two rather opposite demands: (i) not to collect any private data, and (ii) to have the sufficient info/proof when there are law violations. For example, Hanna might have rather different opinion of a security camera installed by the entrance to her favourite supermarket if she was robbed but the camera had that moment captured and so the police were able to find the robber. Won't you think? So, there's probably never a perfect solution.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, that's brutal! And yes, I think you might be right, sadly. But I think it would happen slowly, and changes towards a police state will be introduced gradually in such a way that most people will not be suspicious - like "protection against terrorism" or something like that. It's particularly tragic when this kind of stuff happens in the USA, since most people there believe that the live in the ultimate democracy that stands for freedom and human rights... If you take Russians for example, they have no illusions and start out with a sceptical view. But one day, a decade from now, Americans might "wake up" and realise, "hey, the evil dictatorship I have been scared of all my life... I am living right in the middle of it...!"

And this is happenening elsewhere too:
I just went to renew my passport, an EU nationality. For the passport I had to take a very strange photo, with hair pulled back etc. So that the ear shows. Apparently this is a sort of unique feature. Then THEY TOOK MY FINGER PRINT!!!! I asked why the hell this was (am I a criminal or what???!) and they said it was a new international standard that had been set by the USA.

Trust Sweden to be the first country that starts following this ridiculous standard - the "friendly" big brother state. And people in this country are so brainwashed about the eternal goodness of the state, that it doesn't even occur to anyone that this might be abused (probably will be!) There was not even a public debate about it.

Good luck when this "international standard" is introduced in the UK - there will be a revolution! Brits completely refuse to even carry an ID card, or a proper drivers licence. That said, the secret police has virtually unlimited powers if someone is suspected of "terrorism" and there are CCTVs in every corner. But regular citizens are incredibly protective of their privacy.

Particularly the ever increasing surveillance is worrying me. Cameras everywhere computer records about everyone in a gazillion databases. And what the state doesn't have, some private corporation has.
There are still newspaper stories about organisations like the Stasi in East Germany. But from the picture I saw in the paper of such a file, it was really nothing compared to the stuff that is saved about people nowadays.

As you can probably tell - this is a question that really gets me worked up!

Hanna, I believe the ears thing is related to the technology by which a camera can assimilate facial features.. They claim it's well more accurate than any other ID system and famously "can't be fooled." They developed this tech last milennia, incorporated it first in 1. LONDON, UK and then in 2. MIAMI, FL and since then implemented it in many other places. Memory fails but there's a name for it I can find for you for citation if you like.

And, humbly, I disagree - we're not becoming a police state, - in fact internally a lot of the Bush-era totalitarian mindset is MELTING and room is opening up for more balanced laws and movements although hampered at every turn by FANATICAL warmongering republicans... no, we (US) are just showing the sort of behavior we're famous for when we're broke. A lot of the things people abroad are seeing/feeling/reading из-США are actually seeming to me like fallout from the ramping up of the ram-horn-headbutt war between our two political parties. Only my opinion.

If you look at the last two hundred years of US history you will, I wager, see that we ALWAYS act like brats when we run out of money. That's the saddest part, for me. =\

Originally Posted by DDT

The USA is becoming quite a police state! Now they are even talking about taking passports away from people who are accused of owing taxes. I think that the USA has lost any moral authority to speak about "protecting freedom".

I beg to differ; more accurately: the officials who pretend to represent us as a nation don't have any further right to moral authority because they've cried wolf too many times for too many oil barons and Bourbonesque political vengeance tactics. Surely you can't strip each citizen of their individual INALIENABLE moral authority?? Personally, I'm against the institution of this law, but you enter dangerous territory when you judge the moral fiber of a country based on laws that people in the country only talked about trying to pass. Shall we take a look at laws that people talked about trying to pass in the past, in various countries, and then judge those countries and their citizens by this same token? Prima noctum comes to mind..

Also if the US is becoming a police state... and honestly I'm not arguing that it IS or ISN'T.. but.. if it is, why have I in the last year of preparing myself to take a trip and/or move to Russia, have people given me nothing but warnings about how dangerous it is to bring the common lacsadaisical american mindset toward the government and its laws into Russia? I've been told things such as that, if I am not punctual in regards to my passport, I can actually become stranded in Russia as a transient, with only luck and my embassy to save me from my demise.. I've been told that people of color shouldn't even try to ENTER Russia, because in some places it can be terribly dangerous for them, and the law turns a blind eye toward this and issues of "human rights" are never given a fair spot at the table..... and loads more, which I won't cite here for sake of our mutual sanity..

Now, I want as much as anyone for a) america not to become a police state and b) for russia not to revert to a totalitarian-minded entity... but, I think it seems a bit soon to decide on these two, with my country's power-seat currently in dispute, and yours still under the same dictatorial individual who has been in power there for over a decade...

What a good one!

The US will take the passports away from the people that Russia would not give the passports to in the first place!

Not to mention - the economic divide between those in the US and those in Russia!

What a joke! Putin the KGB man with all his stooges!

Are you here to tell me that the average Russian citizen lives better than the average American citizen?